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'What about Project 25?' John Fetterman turns the table on Fox News over Biden questions
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Yeah, why talk about the ancient brain mush guy who is going to lose to the fascist when we can talk about how fascist the fascist guy is?! Look at how fascist he is! I know we're going to lose to him but we'll yell about the fascism the whole time!
Maybe if we talk more about how facist the facist is, ppl won't vote for the fucking facist...
I rather have a hot glass of bird piss be president than a dictator
yawn I wish you trolls would get better content already.
How do we go about step 1, friend?
What is step 2?
The election is only a few months away now. How do we not only get to see what the better candidate offers, but who they are as a candidate? How are they going to campaign so late in the game? How do we get them recognized by the majority of voters?
What are the options you have in mind? I want to hear them.
Cool, let's just all be defeatist and bitter like you then.
I'm not being defeatist, I'm being realistic about who to focus on.
Trying to appeal to a cult member using facts and common sense is a fool's errand.
Convincing alienated people on the left to vote by giving them a GOOD choice for once, on the other hand? THAT'S how you beat the fascists!
I don't think people who want Biden to just get swapped out really quick know how that works. He doesn't want to drop, he's come out and said it. They would have to work against the sitting president who has already won primaries. There is real risk there.
Is Biden great, nah prob not. But he is not in the same league, hell the same sport as Trump when it comes to horrible. Instead of trying to change the world in a few months before the election, I'd take Biden who has actually done good and work on the next candidate from there. When we have years to build them up.
Guy ran essentially unopposed with the media on his side and the big story was how many people literally refused to vote / voted uncommitted rather than vote for him. I don’t understand how people are so tone deaf, Trump literally went to the South Bronx after a court appearance and had the park packed while a Biden Rally down the block was a ghost town. Biden literally squandered the Fuck Trump vote which is honestly the only reason he got elected after failing in his previous five runs at presidency, now he's got his seat and only god almighty would convince him to step down.
The park was not packed where Trump went, this was disproven already. Trump also has groupies that follow him around the country. Trying to use this as any metric of popularity is silly.
He didn't squander the anti Trump at all. People just seem to accept lies and BS from Trump and hold Biden to a much higher, sometimes ridiculous, bar.
Yeah? Who? Who has a better chance than Biden this late into the cycle. Did you just wake up now, or have you been supporting other local candidates years ago?
Want more progressive candidate? Start local and start early.
Trust me: a whole lot of people are entirely checked out and really do not know just how bad donnie is. Nor do they know about the plans the demons have laid in Project 2025.
"ancient guy" is only 2 years older than fascist guy. Also, I don't understand what's happening, the world seems to be having shared amnesia about the fact that Trump has been spouting senile and incoherent nonsense for years now?
Hes probably to busy jerking off to all those homoerotic AI generated images of Trump being super muscular, shirtless and sweaty (and possibly embracing Putin in romantic fashion) to realize Trumps actually a senile old man who cant even control his bowels, much less his impulses.
So, which would you honestly rather have? Someone who may or may not be in cognitive decline or someone who wants to become a fascist dictator?
I'm not saying that Biden is in cognitive decline but I am saying that Trump is a wannabe fascist dictator.
Pretty sure mr 34 felonies is further up the ladder of cognitive decline.
Yeah, but if the choices are between the two....
You can’t even answer a direct question about who. You gnash your teeth and wish upon a star that a magic unicorn will come down and wave their wand.
Get real and stop wasting peoples energy and time with useless “what if” crap.
You’re completely naive if you don’t think it’s going to be Biden vs Trump. Anything other than a vote for Biden in November helps Trump, which is what I’m going to assume you want since you are being so elusive and obtuse.
No. It's not. It s a binary choice. Commit to answering the simple question: Biden or guaranteed fascism.
Yes it does. Every time they've switched candidate they lost. See 1968 for a recent example.
Who is the candidate we should choose then?
Would like to make a wager on who will win? The rapist with 34 felonies that shits his pants is your pick, good luck lol.
When people talk about that Biden is going to lose and blame it on him, I really wonder if they understand what our system is and what the stakes are. We only lose if people decide not to vote for Biden. There are things that a good candidate can do to excite their voters and motivate people, but at the end of the day, anyone can see the options that lay before them and choose regardless of what the campaign does.
You can wish that the campaign/candidate were better so that it made the job of motivating people easier. But if you are worried about the consequences of Trump winning this election, then you should be trying to motivate people to vote Biden. The article is to remind people that while Biden fared poorly at the debate, Trump was actually worse and is always worse. It seems to me that this is an honest point that underscores the need to vote Biden in this election, despite any of his shortcomings.
We are driving down a road and a semi is coming straight at us at 100 mph. We can either veer off the road and damage or even total our car on whatever is there, or we can say “I shouldn’t have to veer off the road, there should be a shoulder”, or even “I didn’t even want to take this route in the first place but my wife insisted” as the truck hits us head on. There’s no good option, but there’s a clear survival option.
To me it makes more sense to blame the weather than any person when it comes to voting patterns. But it would also make more sense to blame the Democratic party as a system than a single politician for a presidential loss.
Doesn’t it make the most sense to blame our election system that makes people feel like they don’t have enough choice or the ability to express their actual preference in an election?
The Democratic Party is a product of this flawed system. You can make things a bit better, but at the end of the day, you have to have a party that is a coalition of disparate groups that choose a single person who has to win it all. So, a candidate that super excites and energizes one faction of the coalition is likely to be very unappealing to other factions. And most of the time you’re going to end up with someone who nobody is actually excited for. It would be great if Democrats had a preferential/ranked voting system for determining that one candidate, which allowed for many candidates, and for those candidates to stay in the race without the risk of cannibalizing others (e.g. having both Warren and Bernie wouldn’t detract from either one). However, even this isn’t determined centrally by the party, as each state gets to do voting the way they want to. So, it’s not an easy problem to solve.