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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We had primaries this year. As per usual the incumbent president won their primary. Now the American people have two choices for president. With Biden we have a chance at electing progressives and socialists in 2026 and 2028. We will not have that opportunity with Trump.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Are you a bot? Keep saying the same thing without addressing what I'm saying.

A) right now the American has a choice between Biden and Trump.

B) you are claiming that you either vote for Biden or democracy ends

C) if there is no real practical choice, there is no real democracy.

Political theater. We're becoming a warped version of Soviet style system. Mock elections, need to pretend to care about things you don't actually care about, self censorship, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Are you a bot? Keep saying the same thing without addressing what I’m saying.

Is there anything I could do to convince you otherwise? I have refuted these arguments multiple times. No matter how many times they are repeated they are still just as flawed.

you are claiming that you either vote for Biden or democracy ends

I am claiming that we have a chance to save democracy by voting in Biden in 2024. It is not a guarantee, but it will be possible to elect candidates who are not neo-liberals or fascists in 2026 and 2028. If Trump is elected in 2024 democracy will end. We would not even have this opportunity if we did not live in a democracy.

if there is no real practical choice, there is no real democracy.

Averting fascism and death camps is a real choice. Having the opportunity to build a better society is a real choice. There is still democracy for now.

edit: Also, the option to end democracy is a choice. It's an option that can happen in a democracy. And there are fascists who want to choose this option. We need to out vote them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Democracy is about choice. If we don't have choice democracy is already dead. We are not fighting for democracy- it's already gone. We are fighting about how the future authoritarian government will develop.

We have moved past neoliberal. We have transitioned into protectionist mergers between state + corporate power regardless of candidate.

Both candidates agree fully on this. Oil company profits have surged under Biden. Cooperation with big tech companies (for example banning competition or manipulating online speech) have happened under Biden.

You are under this mentality that this is a bump in the road. We have already started turning sharply to the right back when Trump was first elected and then we accelerated the shift during and after COVID.

Either way we're going to see war, economic instability, and political radicalism. The game is over, we have lost.

I'm going to at least keep my human dignity and vote blank on the next ballot. I cannot in good conscience play a role in this conversion process.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We are experiencing late-stage capitalism because neo-liberals refuse to change our institutions. Unless we do something, the US is going to have an oligarchy of billionaires that rally around a christo-fascist dictator.

I am not arguing the current state of our country is a bump in the road. I am arguing for a strategy that amounts to a last ditch effort to avert fascism. The fascist movement will not go away if Biden wins this election. Voting for Biden is only the first step that has to be done if we want to prevent our country from becoming a christo-fascist dictatorship. Neo-liberalism got us into this mess and the longer we stick with neo-liberalism the larger the fascist movement will become.

All we are getting by electing Biden is 2024 is a chance to elect people with better ideas and a willingness to use political power to make systemic changes in 2026 and 2028. We need socialists and progressives in political positions. There is no value in giving up early. We might as well vote because we get the same result if we try and fail as not trying. edit: typo