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Oh, good, they're not a tankie, they're just a Soviet simp who thinks Anti-Imperialism(tm) is justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing, and opposes any anti-fascist candidate that's not 100% in-line with their ideology. Definitely a big practical difference there, glad I was corrected.
Oh, good, they're not a lib, they're just an Israeli simp who thinks Pro-Imperialism^tm^ is justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing, and opposes any anti-fascist that's protesting against the genocide i'm ok with (and not the genocide I'm not ok with).
Israel was doing bad shit to Palestine for decades. How many times did you so see Pro Palestine posts in mass before, almost never. Sure it’s worse, but if “leftists” cared so much, why did this huge outcry wait till it’s at it’s absolute worst? Seems real convenient it’s around an election where fascist states known for using troll farms have a vested interest in a Biden loss. Especially when the only candidate who has any chance of making a pro-Palestine compromise is in danger of losing. No one believes Trump will compromise at all and Biden is literally brokering a compromise now. What drives the myriad “true leftists” to prove their point now, at the least opportune possible time? Seems like they have ulterior motives and they’re just hiding behind your claims of leftism.
Here I thought being for the suspension of ALL aid to Israel, not just for the ongoing genocide but for being an apartheid ethnostate, might have implied that I was anti-Israel, but here I learn that I'm an Israeli simp. How fascinating!
"I'm in support of all the most progressive and leftist ideals, but they are sadly not practical so anyone pushing for them must be treated as controlled opposition"
Yes, because as we all know, pushing for Trump to win a presidential election is DEFINITELY in support of progressive and leftist ideals!
I apologize for being a Bernie voter, I guess.
Pushing for progressive ideals =! Pushing for Trump to win
Jesus with you, everything you don't like is a vote for trump
I'm pushing for progressive ideals. The difference is, I'm not doing it while saying that it's okay not to vote for the anti-fascist candidate if you feel really strongly that fascism winning is preferable to Teach The Dems A Lesson(tm) or Show Your Moral Fortitude(tm).
I'm not saying it's OK not to vote, I'm saying expecting people to get on board with democrats when they have 5 months to correct their shit is dumb.
Make your decision when the cards have been played
You've gone from "voting blue is supporting genocide" to "harm reduction is a legitimate strategy" in minutes. Amazing.
They went from "Might makes right is imperialism!" to "Might makes right" in two comments elsewhere. All there is is contrarianism.
Right now voting blue is supporting genocide. Doesn't mean it has to stay that way, which is why 'endorsing' a candidate now 3 months before the Democratic convention is dumb
What's the solution then?
Protest against democrats who are supporting the genocide.
And that'll fix everything?
Since when was I telling you how to solve everything?
Go fight for what you claim you believe in and stop complaining about others who are
Oh, yes, support of Russia is advocacy for peace, in the same way that an advocate for surrender to Nazi Germany is an 'advocate for peace'. But hey, if it's genocide done by an Anti-Imperialist Power(tm), it's actually 100% peaceful killing, right?
How many Buchas and how many thousands of children kidnapped until supporting Russia is no longer anti-imperialist?
Don't worry - I know you have no limit.
I'm not sure 'might makes right' is the anti-imperial argument you're looking for here.
lmao, yet it's the argument that all of your comrades resort to with regards to the Ukrainian situation.
At least it's not 'we'll give you the means to destroy yourself in service of hurting Russia' like all of your western buddies like arguing.
"Defending yourself against genocide is actually destroying yourself"
Want to remind me how this ISN'T a might makes right argument, the kind of which you supposedly were against just one comment ago?
You can't stay consistent for a single comment. Unbelievable. But anything to simp for fascists, I guess. I'm sorry, 'Anti-Imperialist Fascists'.
Supplying a nation of 38 million with weapons against a nation of 144 million doesn't ensure them victory against Russia.
If the west genuinely wanted to prevent a genocide they would be supplying them with personnel, too. By drawing out the conflict without giving them a way out of attrition more Ukrainians will die.
The west cares more about hurting Russia than they do about Ukrainian lives.
Ah, yes, when Ukraine has explicitly refused the possibility of Western personnel fighting the war on their behalf. I'm so glad to see that the wishes of the democratically elected Ukrainian government deserve to be discarded, in your view, in exchange for a distinctly paternalist interventionism. Since that's no longer popular in the West, it's not going to happen.
Obviously, since intervening ourselves isn't an option, the only correct thing to do is to let the stronger country win. But it's not might makes right! It's only might makes right when you disagree with it, right?
Ukraine had a treaty they were ready to accept when the west objected to it and pushed them to push the effort forward.
'Let the stronger country win' is a contradiction, either they are the stronger country and they will won, or it isn't just Ukraine fighting it and Russia isn't the stronger opponent.
The west wants to not get involved in the war but they don't want Russia to win, that's the definition of wating your cake and having it to.
lmao, this misinformation again. You keep repeating the talking points you hear Putin make when Tucker Carlson is interviewing him. You're no different than any other right-wing chud other than a coat of red paint.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/talks-could-have-ended-war-ukraine
I'm too cheap to pay for access to the article, but they were close to an agreement. Here's the summary as I heard it (summarized from wiki)
But whatever you'd like to believe. You've only so far expressed your desire for Russia to lose and haven't alluded to any concessions you'd find acceptable, so I have to assume you're happy with all-out war until Ukraine wins or loses completely
You... you do realize that the meaning of that isn't "The West wanted more war" right?
... right?
I'm just pointing out the argumentative failure.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but it's just not an argument against imperialism. If anything it's an argument for multi-polarity, but even then I don't think it's the kind of multipolarity leftists are looking for.