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[–] [email protected] 266 points 5 months ago (28 children)

Yea, academics need to just shut the publication system down. The more they keep pandering to it the more they look like fools.

[–] [email protected] 146 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (15 children)

It’s chicken/egg or “you first” problem.

You spend years on your work. You probably have loans. Your income is pitiful. And this is the structural thing that gets your name out. Now someone says “hey take a risk, don’t do it and break the system.”

Well…you first 🤷‍♂️ they publish on this garbage because it’s the only way to move up, and these garbage systems continue on because everyone has to participate. Hate the game. Don’t blame those who are by and large forced to participate.

It would require lot of effort from people with clout. It’s a big fight to pick. I am very much in favor of picking that fight, but we need to be a little sympathetic to what that entails.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Funding agencies have huge power here; demanding that research be published in OA journals is perhaps a good start (with limits on $ spent publishing, perhaps).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is probably the avenue to shut this down. If funding is contingent on making the publication freely available to download, and that comes from a major government funding source, then this whole scam could die essentially overnight.

That would need to somehow get enough political support to pass muster in the first place and pass the inevitable legal challenge that follows, too. So, really, this is just another example of regulatory capture ruining everything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

i hear you, but this leaves this massive gaping hole very quickly filled by predatory journals

the better solution would be journals created and maintained by universities or other institutions with national (or international, like from EU) funding

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