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[–] diablexical@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

A June 2013 poll conducted by DPP showed an overwhelming 77.6% consider themselves as Taiwanese.[140] On the independence-unification issue, the survey found that 25.9 percent said they support unification, 59 percent support independence, and 10.3 percent prefer the "status quo." When asked whether Taiwan and China are parts of one country, the party said the survey found 78.4 percent disagree, while 15 percent agreed. As for whether Taiwan and China are two districts in one country, 70.6 percent disagree, while 22.8 percent agree

Taiwan #1

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

70% of US adults believe in angels, but that doesn't make it true. No countries with any actual amount of power on the global stage recognize the ROC (see the US' One China Policy), which means that regardless of whatever views people claim to have when surveyed, Taiwan is de facto part of the PRC.

[–] diablexical@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

de facto huh. What does that mean in practice?

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Taiwan is completely economically dependent on the Mainland and is recognized by an ever shrinking pool of nations?

[–] randint@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Taiwan is not a part of the PRC, de facto or de jure. Say that Taiwan is a part of China all you want, but it never has been a part of the PRC.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The German Democratic Republic was never part of the Federal Republic of Germany either. Until it was.

What a completely irrelevant exercise in pedantry.

[–] randint@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The truth, like it or not, is that PRC has never, ever seized control of Taiwan. Hopefully it never does. This is not pedantry.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net -1 points 2 years ago

Please cite the principle of international law which requires the present day iteration of a state's government to have had past administration of a breakaway territory in order to assert a claim of ownership over said territory.

Please also cite any supporting state practice and opinio juris.

[–] honeynut@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The DPP (pro-Independence party) polling seems to differ a bit from National Chengchi University's yearly poll where "maintain status quo indefinitely/decide later" were the two most popular selections.

[–] richietozier4@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

maintain status quo indefinitely/decide later

me deciding what I'm going to do today

[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How can they possibly be Taiwanese if they don't speak any of the Formosan languages?

[–] randint@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How can Americans possibly be Americans if they don't speak American?

[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] diablexical@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] randint@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I agree with your sentiment, but we should refrain from using these emotionally charged words. We must remain polite ~~so that people reading this thread will get a bad impression of Hexbear.~~

[–] diablexical@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Chinese Taipei of course, comrade.

[–] diablexical@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is that what the majority of people who live there would say?

[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Only when they want to participate in the Olympics michael-laugh

[–] randint@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

No, absolutely not.