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[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This article is strange... The author uses "being able to open Microsoft Office documents" as a common example of what an OS that claims to be easy to use should be able to do. Then says...

When people download Ubuntu 23.04 they get an OS that can do everything Windows 95 did - with 23.10 they don’t

No default installation of Microsoft Windows EVER opened Microsoft Office documents. If this was a simple oversight in the write-up it'd be fine, but the point is hammered over and over again.

I don't have an opinion about Ubuntu including or not including more software in the default installation (my guess is it became too big to fit on a DVD?) but this article failed to make it's point to me by making a comparison to Windows that isn't true.

Also...

the world’s most popular desktop Linux operating system (that’s Ubuntu, for those of you playing dumb)

Is this supposed to be a cocky joke? I can't tell. What metric of "most popular" is the author using?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I reckon a nifty idea instead of preinstalling software is to have a file extension finder that suggests software based on the file extension. Sure, there are some file types that have multiple uses, but many proprietary solutions use distinct extensions, making it quite straightforward to organize the recommendations.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't even need to look at the extension to identify most file formats, as there are unique magic numbers stored at the beginning of most (binary) formats. Only when a single binary format is reused to appear as two different formats to the user, e.g. zip and cbz are extensions relevant. This is how the file command and most (?) Linux file explorers identify files, and why file extensions are traditionally largely irrelevant on Linux/Unix.

This means your idea of suggesting software based on the file type is even more practicable than you described.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'd love having that tbh. Doesn't even need to be fancy, could just as well suggest packages in the terminal. It would be massively helpful.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this supposed to be a cocky joke? I can't tell. What metric of "most popular" is the author usiing?

Number of active users.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

those numbers are nonexistent for most distribution, since forcing telemetry isn't really a cool move in the free software world

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The number of IPs hitting their software repos can be a decent way of estimating active users. Also, ISO downloads and so on.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

There’s also the check connectivity to Internet ping that network manager does. Arch Linux defaults to Arch’s servers, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Local repo mirrors are pretty standard in the enterprise world are they not?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Any company invested enough to host a local mirror will not give a blank install of Ubuntu to their employees though.

You can argue that other distros are popular as well, but when it comes to the "I've heard of this Linux thing, let's try it out" crowd Ubuntu is the goto option, no doubt about it. And the impact on this crowd is exactly what is discussed in the article.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hundreds of thousands of people using eg. Debian plus a software profile plus a sources.list file with an intranet address don't count as using Debian?
I'm not arguing about the contents of the article, I'm discussing specifically the relevance of generating usage statistics based on IP hits and ISO downloads.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

For the purpose of the article: no they don't.

If you want to discuss telemetry or how to measure popularity of Linux Distros, please submit and link me an appropriate post, I'll be happy to discuss it there. But it simply adds nothing to the discussion here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

And how do you know that number? Let alone the numbers of other distributions?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah that's a pretty funny error, seems to forget that MS office is a very expensive bit of software and doesn't come included with windows.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It does in recent times. My laptop came pre installed with win 11 and office home 2021(i think).

All i had to do was click activate to link the key to my email account. It showed up as a notification on first login.

Even if not activated it still would open files with that warning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Including a trial to incentivize users into paying for the software doesn't make it "built-in".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not trial. Home Single user license.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely. The author is criticizing something that can easily be solved by.... installing more software that it's probably in the same media a user used to install the OS. I don't see the point of this review other than "I need to write something in my blog today."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think the whole point of this exercise is to not have the extra software in the media. Could be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which media are you talking about? The installation media, or the running system?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What metric of “most popular” is the author using?

Ubuntu claimed be the most popular Linux distro on their website, backed by hot air. People who didn't know any better took that at face value, including the author of this shoddy article, perhaps.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They do have statistics about how many systems send upgrade pings. There are some caveats to that, but I believe the difference with other distros is significant enough for that not to matter.

What other desktop Linux would be more popular? Fedora? Arch?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ubuntu chooses to log upgrade pings to create such statistics. Contrary to Ubuntu, others respect your privacy, and don't log upgrade pings. Hypothetically, if Ubuntu is the only distro that logs upgrade pings even though everyone uses Linux Mint in practice as an example, they can't claim to be the most popular distro as for a matter of fact, that reality has more people that use Linux Mint than Ubuntu.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Linux Mint is even more troublesome, because I believe it uses Ubuntu's repos as well - meaning that they'd be counted in Ubuntu's logs?

That said, with the exception of probably Distrowatch pageviews (which of course have very little relation to actual usage), AFAIK all proxy metrics we have do point to Ubuntu's dominance, as well as anecdotal evidence such as the distros you see people using at e.g. FOSDEM. I'd be interested to see any data that might show otherwise though, but until then, my working hypothesis is that Ubuntu is still the most popular desktop Linux.