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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There will always be limits on people’s choices. I don’t have wings, I cannot choose to fly. I don’t own a nuke, I cannot choose to nuke something.

You can choose to fly because airplanes exist. Note how people can choose to use for transportation or use them to drop bombs or crash them into buildings with thousands of people inside.

Also nuclear weapons exist and people can choose to drop them on cities and many thousands of people will die.

It feels like you're desperately trying to miss the point to avoid having thoughts that conflict with your current belief (or non-belief if that's how you choose to term it)

That would appear to be blatantly false. The universe constantly is destroying things. Celestial bodies get destroyed every day. Stars die, black holes consume, planets get bombarded with rocks from space. This planet alone has had 5 mass extinction events.

Matter can't be created or destroyed and energy cannot be created or destroyed. Matter can be converted into energy (and vice-versa) but nothing is ever really destroyed. Do you consider this to be a religious belief simply because conflicts with your argument?

When it is ultimately a force for suffering, yeah absolutely.

How much suffering was caused by the religious oppression done by atheists like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot? It's not just religious people that causes suffering. I'm pretty sure it's intolerance of the beliefs of others that the root of all of that suffering, which history has demonstrated that atheists are more than capable of. So I'm asking again, is your intolerance of the beliefs of others making the world a better place?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You can choose to fly because airplanes exist

That's not what I meant, and you know it.

Also nuclear weapons exist and people can choose to drop them on cities and many thousands of people will die.

Other people have that choice. I do not.

It feels like you’re desperately trying to miss the point

Given that you seemingly intentionally missed the point about the things that I cannot choose to do, I'd say this is projection.

to avoid having thoughts that conflict with your current belief (or non-belief if that’s how you choose to term it)

This conversation has nothing to do with the existence of god(s), it instead has to do with the existence of tri-omni god(s).

Matter can’t be created or destroyed and energy cannot be created or destroyed.

This is a false equivalence. If I burn down a building, it's been destroyed even if the matter of the building still exists.

Do you consider this to be a religious belief simply because conflicts with your argument?

Are you here to have a serious conversation, or just waste time?

How much suffering was caused by the religious oppression done by atheists like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot?

This has no relevance. You completely missed the point of everything I've said, I hope not intentionally. Because this line of thinking isn't coherent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope I honestly don't know what your point is. You gravitate towards absolutes more than most religious extremists do. Like if you're not an omnipotent being with every power you can imagine then you have no choices? But then you also think that the fact that world is some primitive video game where there's only very simple A) B) C) style options it would be a paradise and you're angry at God because the world doesn't work like that. Personally I find it frustrating when a video game limits my options to that degree and the option I want simply isn't there. Doesn't feel like I really have a choice if I'm only allowed to do the things they were considered to be valid options by someone else.

Yeah having choices makes for problems, but those are our problems to deal with.

This is a false equivalence. If I burn down a building, it’s been destroyed even if the matter of the building still exists.

And the atoms from that burnt building will go elsewhere and allow for the creation of new life. Nobody ever teach you about the circle of life, Simba?

Because this line of thinking isn’t coherent.

I think we're basically done here. You're just rejecting facts that conflict with your inflexible world view now. Atheists have killed a great many people in history, that's a fact. You reject that fact because you want to believe that religion is the source of everything bad in the world. Can't face the reality that a lot of evil has been done without religion being a factor, and a lot of evil has been done by people that think of religion similarly to how you think of it. It's almost as if intolerance is the problem and it's the same problem if it's coming from a religious person as it is when it comes from an atheist. Being intolerant towards all other beliefs than your own doesn't make you better than others, even when if you do everything you can to deny that you have beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Like if you’re not an omnipotent being with every power you can imagine then you have no choices?

That is not even close to what I was saying.

But then you also think that the fact that world is some primitive video game where there’s only very simple A) B) C) style options it would be a paradise

This is an oversimplification of a very easy to understand thought experiment.

and you’re angry at God because the world doesn’t work like that.

I'm not angry at god, I don't believe gods exist. Are you angry at Thanos?

And the atoms from that burnt building will go elsewhere and allow for the creation of new life. Nobody ever teach you about the circle of life, Simba?

Thanks for this waste of time.

Atheists have killed a great many people in history, that’s a fact.

A fact that has nothing to do with any of this.