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Put your money where your mouth is and open source the Tesla software. Do it. I fuckin' dare ya.
Edit: we want Falcon 9's landing guidance software too.
Open sourcing the falcon 9 software would almost definitely be a violation of ITAR.... On second thought it would be fun to see him go to prison.
Nothing could possibly go wrong open sourcing a ~~missle~~ rocket guidance system...
Source code is protected under 1st amendment
That's like saying state secrets are protected under the 1st lol
I don't think it's true
Source code is
While courts have ruled source code is first amendment protected. Your statement is still very very wrong. Just because it's first amendment protected doesn't mean it can't be classified normally or made illegal to leak because of ITAR.
But go leak some of the source code from XKeyscore or a schematic of a pair of GPNVG if you'd like to test our code classification and ITAR systems.
I'm not taking about sealing some government secrets. I'm taking about building a fun hobby project with some sort of targeting system. Think a small rocket that drops a payload or a water balloon launcher.
Okay but that has no relevance at all to what the comment you were replying to was about. Companies contracted by the government and DOD specifically to create rockets are guaranteed to be covered by ITAR. Meaning open sourcing them would be impossible, regardless of the first amendment or anything else.
There's a massive massive difference between the software for a DOD contracted rocket like SpaceX makes, and hobbyist rocketry.
In the U.S., you can build rockets all day long, they cannot be guided.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332g
You'd have to convince the feds it was never designed to be a weapon. Good luck with that.
That only applies to the hardware. I'm taking about software
Why do you think software would be treated any differently?
Again, because source code is protected under the first amendment
Okay but again as has been pointed out to you, that has no bearing on government contracted products like this, whether that's code or rockets or anything else the government doesn't want to just share with the entire world.
That's like saying hate speech/discrimination is protected under the first amendment
It is
With that being said you can be arrested for harassment and or disturbing the peace.
I think there has always been and always will be exceptions for military technology.
Oh yeah I forgot about the first anyways the guy who really killed JFK is
No, not just open, free it entirely. License the code under a GPL license.
It'll probably be MIT... just like the rest of the corps.
I want a world where anyone can go to space. It the thing I wanna do the most. But I'm not rich and I'm no super smart and I have awful health.
I know what you mean, but if it’s any consolation, you are in space.
I want to be in space by myself
Blanket fort?
How do you know you aren’t alone?
Because of all the noisy motherfuckers around me all the time.
My dog barks at walls and is constantly reminding me of the inevitability of our ultimate demise.
I’m sure she hears things.
I mean, you right lol
We gotta figure out a better way than strapping ourselves to a continuously exploding bomb and pulling some serious Gs for 8 minutes.
Wonder how some of those SSTO space plane projects are doing...there was a British one I can't remember. Used hybrid air-breathing scramjets, switching to internal oxidizer once it was going fast and high enough.
Edit: here is is and I was mistaken it's not a SCRAMjet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon_(spacecraft)
Space planes carry along heavy-as-fuck wings, control surfaces and a lot of other bullshit that's only useful inside the atmosphere, and which massively increase fuel consumption for every single maneuver while your space plane is actually where you want it to do stuff - in space. And the only benefit is that the atmosphere helps lift and fuel your vehicle to about 10% of orbital velocity. The other 90% it will have to accelerate just like any other rocket.
The SpaceX approach is much better: Land and reuse all parts of your rocket, but don't carry them with you further than where they're useful. Rockets leave the atmosphere where wings would work within a few minutes anyway.
Yeah but...most people's grandparents aren't going to be riding rockets. This isn't sustainable for widespread access to space.
Do you really want countries like North Korea, Iran and China having access to software that would certainly be used for missile guidance?
Why not. If everyone has it, everyone will be afraid to use it, because they know everyone else has it, but what they don't know is how many have developed a working prototype.
Ehh, mutually assured destruction has worked so far, but there are some crazy assholes out there who might not act rationally.
Yeah, that is true.
Yes like in America gun violence never happens because everyone has guns.
Hmmm