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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I still cannot believe NASA managed to re-establish a connection with Voyager 1.

That scene from The Martian where JPL had a hardware copy of Pathfinder on Earth? That’s not apocryphal. NASA keeps a lot of engineering models around for a variety of purposes including this sort of hardware troubleshooting.

It’s a practice they started after Voyager. They shot that patch off into space based off of old documentation, blueprints, and internal memos.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine scrolling back in the Slack chat 50 years to find that one thing someone said about how the chip bypass worked.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imagine any internet company lasting 50 years.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is why slack is bullshit. And discord. We should all go back to email. It can be stored and archived and organized and get off my lawn.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's not Slack's fault. It is a good platform for one-off messages. Need a useless bureaucratic form signed? Slack. Need your boss to okay the afternoon off? Slack. Need to ask your lead programmer which data structure you should use and why they're set up that way? Sounds like the answer should be put in a wiki page, not slack.

All workflows are small components of a larger workplace. Emails also suck for a lot of things. They probably wouldn't have worked in this case, memos are the logical upgrade from emails where you want to make sure everyone receives it and the topic is not up for further discussion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, unironically, yeah.

It's not even that we need to go back to email. The problem isn't moving on from outdated forms of communication, it's that the technology being pushed as a replacement for it is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Which is to say nothing of the fact that all of these new platforms are proprietary, walled off, and in some cases don't make controlling the data easy if you're not hosting it (and their searches are trash).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

all of these new platforms are proprietary, walled off, and in some cases don’t make controlling the data easy if you’re not hosting it

You’ve just discovered their business case. So many new businesses these days only insinuate themselves into an existing process in order to co-opt it and charge rents.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even then, you get banned from Google for some reason, what then?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
  1. Don’t use google as your email provider
  2. Keep backups of your email (you can do this on gmail, too)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IBM is 100, but the Internet didn't exist in 1924, so we'll say the clock starts in 1989. I'm pretty sure at least MS or IBM will be around in 15 years.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does IBM even do anymore? I’m guessing they just support all of their legacy products that customers are locked into.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's basically an investment fund that runs the companies it invests in, like Alphabet, but with a bigger mix of real estate and finance investments thrown in.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What’s a company they invest in?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Themselves. I'm just saying internally they run it like an investment fund. Example: https://medium.com/design-ibm/area-631-what-i-learned-in-ibms-start-up-and-innovation-program-d87ed98f9549

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To add to the metal, the blueprints include the blueprints for the processor.

https://hackaday.com/2024/05/06/the-computers-of-voyager/

They don't use a microprocessor like anything today would, but a pile of chips that provide things like logic gates and counters. A grown up version of https://gigatron.io/

That means "written in assembly" means "written in a bespoke assembly dialect that we maybe didn't document very well, or the hardware it ran on, which was also bespoke".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They also released the source code of the Apollo 11 guidance computer. So if you want to fly to the moon, here is one part of how to do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice, now I just need a rocket and launchpad! Craigslist?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Commission one on fiverr or etsy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I realize the Voyager project may not be super well funded today (how is it funded, just general NASA funds now?), just wondering what they have hardware-wise (or ever had). Certainly the Voyager system had to have precursors (versions)?

Or do they have a simulator of it today - we're talking about early 70's hardware, should be fairly straightforward to replicate in software? Perhaps some independent geeks have done this for fun? (I've read of some old hardware such as 8088 being replicated in software because some geeks just like doing things like that).

I have no idea how NASA functions with old projects like this, and I'm surely not saying I have better ideas - they've probably thought of a million more ways to validate what they're doing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There is an fascinating documentary about the team that sends the commands to Voyager 1 and 2 called It's Quieter in the Twilight