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Giving full economic power to the state does not make you less fascist. It actually makes it much worse.
Just a reminder to the true leftists who think they can force through their better society by giving society more power over the individual without changing the culture in the first place.
The endless purity tests of what a true leftist is one of the main reasons they make no real change in the world.
The constant fighting over doctrinal purity consumes so much time, energy and mind space there is nothing left for actual change.
Laughable you’d level this as a criticism of the left considering MAGA republicans are waging all out war for control of the conservative party in America against more traditional republicans.
Why is it laughable? It seems pretty obvious that one of the main reasons why conservatives are still successful in the US is that they're able to unite much more than the left. I'm too lazy to go find sources, but there are multiple sociological studies that confirmed this - despite craziness like Trump and before that Tea party and other shit, the left has been considerably more fragmented the whole time.
If it were true that leftists could never organise to decide a course of action how do you explain the rampant success of workers unions?
I don’t doubt that conservatives are more likely to just ‘follow the leader’ (I’ve read similar as well) but to say the left is ineffectual because of internal divisions is laughable given the very public and concerning division in the Republican Party right now.
The right might begin to become divided soon, but so far it definitely has not. Regarding worker unions (and the research I mentioned), I'm talking about the modern day, last 20-30 years or so, even though there's been a lot of fragmentation historically as well. There are no real leftist parties in my country with any success either because of the same thing, endless fragmentation, purity tests and ignoring the fact that actual workers are not socially progressive.
Excuse me? The what?
You know that weekends didn’t exist until unions fought for and won them yeah?
And when was this, exactly?
I mean, you can just google it.
But if you’re American it was 1937.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/labor-unions-the-folks-wh_b_8101242/amp
Right. So, 86 years ago? How does this explain the rampant success of workers unions?
Do you think that’s the only thing unions have achieved in 86 years?
I suggest you do some googling about the union movement internationally, I think you’ll find there have been many successes, some very recently.
You've had plenty of time to elaborate on your claims of the "rampant success of workers unions" and your answer is "Google it"?
No. This is unacceptable. You tell me what you believe is evidence of the "rampant success of workers unions" or concede that there hasn't been anything approaching "rampant success of workers unions"in quite some time.
Neither of the two parties in the United States of America are actually left. Republicans are far right, Democrats are liberal and in the middle of the left/right spectrum.