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you're right - individuals cant succeed against organized government if they oppose it, you need your own organization/army - but you cant form that because there arent enough people that are willing to put their lives on the line (you would need millions and it's just not going to happen). if you wanted to affect any real change you should have done it in 1946 (or earlier). it's far, far too late to take action, of any sort.
You’re totally wrong, we don’t need to form any sort of formal organisation, and nobody needs to directly risk their lives in conflict.
All that we need to do is spread the message, build alternative structures - for example, workers co-operatives and housing co-operatives - and then when we have alternative structures capable of supporting it, we can collectively withhold our labour from the ruling class, causing it to collapse.
I don’t know whether or not they would let this happen peacefully, they would probably start trying to use violence against us once they realise the position that they’re in, but we should be completely capable of defending ourselves at that point.
The other benefit is that this doesn’t really need much large-scale organisation - if we focus on building systems that support us and our communities, then we kind of cut the state out automatically - if we no longer rely on it, then it doesn’t have that power over us anymore, and all it comes down to, is can they force us to serve them again? And if they can, we’re just slaves anyways.
lol, you're talking about organizing a mass strike, which, takes formal organization to do.
No, that’s not quite right.
So right now, people pay rent for shelter, they buy food, they need to pay for childcare and all that kind of stuff.
Imagine that we collectively got people progressively into housing co-operatives, and we got more food co-operatives set up to grow and process food, and we used mutual aid more and more for tasks like childcare.
Progressively, the need for money becomes less and less. Eventually it reaches a point where all it takes is a small push to get people to just stop doing any work that isn’t part of their mutual aid efforts, and capitalism collapses.
that's socialism. never going to happen.
It sure is. Beyond socialism, even. And it’ll happen, no doubt about it, it’s unstoppable. The only question is how much suffering will have to happen before we get there.
Capitalism will collapse, it’s guaranteed - there’s not really anywhere else for it to go. We’re already witnessing it.
We can either implement an alternative before it breaks down to manage the demise properly and sensibly, or we can just all hang around and watch it fall apart and crash and burn, causing a ton of suffering in the process.
socialism has been attempted in many counties and it has always failed. it just doesnt work.
What I have proposed, to the best of my knowledge, has never been attempted. This is different from a violent revolution or an authoritarian left-wing state assuming control of a country. This is the removal of the state. It has never been done before.