I read all the theories. All I can muster is 'oh no, not Russia's pipeline.' Seems like however you cut it, Russia did this to themselves by invading Ukraine. They were kind of on a more decent path towards meaningful integration for a minute. Would have been good for common Russians and everyone else if they'd stayed on that path. But, instead their leadership decided on extreme aggression.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Didn't German and Dutch companies fund Nordstream 2? "Russia's pipeline" indeed.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Doesn't really matter who paid for it so long as it's intent is to send oil/gas one way and huge amounts of money the other way.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's infrastructure that Germany and the Netherlands funded. Why doesn't it matter?

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

It does matter, as Germany is a NATO member, and the pipelines were critical infrastructure and blowing them up would be an act of war.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

If America did blow up the pipelines, it would have been a NATO country blowing up critical infrastructure (an act of war) of another NATO country (Germany).

That would, in fact, be a very fucking big deal.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It is (or rather was, before America destroyed it) also German infrastructure, it's not just "Russia's pipeline".

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Spot the yank. You terrorist scumbags started this war to "weaken Russia" and carried out this sabotage to make sure Europeans were forced to buy your stinking environmentally destructive LPG. It was Russia and Europe's pipeline.

You can't compete in the free market, you can't compete in war with anyone, so all you've got is bullshit like this and terrorist scumbaggery.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lol, sure, the US started the war by making Russia invade Ukraine. It's amazing how many US spies there are in Russia to be able to make them invade another sovereign country on US's behalf.

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Uh man, the head of NATO has admitted this last week.

You can't still be this uninformed in late 2023? Honestly, where do you get your information from? Reddit? The News?

[–] aport@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Russia: give me what I want or I will invade Ukraine

NATO: no

Russia: you made me do this!!

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Russia: Stop threatening me with your puppet Nazi state or I'll be forced to disarm it.

NATO: No.

Russia: Okay.

NATO: Wah, unprovoked!

[–] aport@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How's that disarming going? Special military operation?

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Quite well, not to mention the denazification. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dead Nazis is fantastic progress for humanity.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So that justifies killing thousands of innocent civilians, does it? Just to kill Nazis that make up a small portion of the country?

But wait, I thought the point of the invasion was because of NATO expansion? Or is it because of killing Nazi?

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago

I was asked specifically about disarming. It's because of NATO expansion, killing Nazis is a bonus.

[–] aport@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago

Stay off the krokodil, vatnik

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, that's just like saying since a bully beat someone up because the victim didn't hand over their money, so that meant the victim started the fight. Good logic there.

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago

The victim here are the non-Nazi Ukrainians. The bully is the USA.