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The Joker is Probably Completely Sane and Just Uses his Public Image of Being Insane to Keep Others Underestimating Him as Just Some Lunatic (lemm.ee)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The man regularly outwits far more supposedly cognizant opponents including Batman and Lex Luthor, who are canonically recognized as two of thr smartest people on the entire planet.

Edit: I'm not saying insane people are stupid, I'm saying that Joker's mental illnesses are pretty obviously behavioral, they don't affect his perception of reality. He's perfectly capable of understanding what he's doing and how it's wrong, in fact his character almost doesn't work if he doesn't, he just thinks that it's all hilarious anyways. That's why I said he's not insane, he just pretends to be, because he'd be fit to stand criminal trial as fully competent and cognizant of his actions.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

There's this really entertaining forensic psychiatrist named Eric Bender who does multiple analyses videos of pop culture "insane" characters using real scientific/medical knowledge.

Here he talks about Ledger's Joker in Dark Knight. Summary = the Joker is psychopathic (violent, doesn't care about others, others are pawns for his "game"), but not psychotic (experiencing a break from reality, hearing voices, etc). Ledger's Joker would not qualify for an insanity defense because he knows what he's doing is "wrong" and experiences the real world as opposed to hallucinations. He's not mentally healthy or normal though and possibly doesn't understand how to interact with the world.
Here he talks about Phoenix's Joker from "Joker". Summary = much the same as Ledger, but still interesting to watch. He discusses risk factors (abuse, neglect, genetics) that can be an extremely rare "Pathway to Violence" that could apply to the Joker in this movie.
Here he talks about various Arkham Asylum inmates, including (briefly) various versions of the Joker. Summary = much the same, but also talks about Anti-Social Personality Disorder. Also, the fact Joker avoids capture means he knows what he's doing is "wrong" or at least illegal.

So the movie versions of Joker aren't insane in the sense that they're lost in hallucinations and unable to discern reality from make-believe. The Joker likely wouldn't be sent to an asylum in the real world. The Jokers of the movies are psychopathic, evil, uncaring, manipulative, etc. For the most part, to them the world is a game and it's all about the Joker being the main character with everyone else being pawns to be used for evil amusement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

Here he talks about Ledger's Joker in Dark Knight

Here he talks about Phoenix's Joker from "Joker"

Here he talks about various Arkham Asylum inmates, including (briefly) various versions of the Joker.

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