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Espionage is kinda shady in nature.
Do you think they should have outed their spies, dooming them to a certain death?
I think they shouldn't be funding the groups committing these acts in the first place.
Does the US fund ISIS?
The US has funded and trained ISIS through the CIA since its inception, and is responsible for its creation in the first place.
The US is also directly responsible for the creation of Al Qaeda. Unfortunately another country's citizens are paying the price this time.
Fund ISIS? They made ISIS!
America? Yes, that would be the moral choice.
Yes. Fuck em.
Yes. In fact, I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life. And you are a bad person if you wouldn't.
And this is ignoring the fact that you are completely making up that a better warning would have "doomed them to certain death".
imagine talking about american spies like they're people. you have to be a bloodless skin-wearing demon to actively keep making the world worse every day of your existance after you join up, i hope they all suffer from nightmares at the very fucking least
Presumably there's 100s of spies you would kill all of them to spare one life?
Thats 100s of families torn apart 1000s of people for one person.
So trolly problems a no brainer for you?
They’re from Hexbear, what do you expect.
I use connect for lemmy so i don't see that without looking into it
So fucking tired of this clout chasing-instance hating bullshit. There's fucking morons from every instance, I'm looking at one from .works right now. Reminds me of the laziest and most pathetic parts of reddit, like it's a joke comment but with a little touch of actual hate speech in it.
Do you have any idea what the USA's spy network has done? Do you have any idea how many thousands of families and millions of people have been torn apart, some of them murdered in their entirety, others just having their kids murdered in front of them, thanks to the work of USA intelligence? Fuck them
It's the life of someone going about their existence, trying to enjoy a performance vs the lives of people who willingly signed up for a dangerous job to serve the world's bloodiest empire.
Thinking you can do morality with numbers is sociopath behavior.
...says everything one needs to know about your morals and your attempts at manipulation.
Awww the poor widdle spies! They were just innocently torturing innocent people at bwack sites, then destroying all evidence of torture! How dare they sacrifice these benevolent angels to save some RuZZian orc!
How about not sacrificing anyone's life?
Fundamentally naive take.
They already sacrificed lives when they decided that even just a few of their spies were worth 140 people murdered and many more to spend their lifetime with medical issues and permanent mental scars.
Pretty sure my morals are just fine if I pick 2 when push comes to shove
I would not "happily" sacrifice anyone's life. How about that? Anyway, Russia obviously didnt take the threat seriously and that was the actual issue.
But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymore, thus less "protection" overall.
Lol you think American spies are for "protection"
In this case yeah
Ridiculous from top to bottom.
First, you're taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger. There is no reason to trust the U.S., and many reasons to think they're lying -- they're fighting a proxy war against Russia, after all.
Second, it's laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into "this would kill all U.S. spies."
Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for, and there will be more meat for the grinder whatever happens to a spy here or there, because of a million reasons, but mostly because who the hell is telling recruits about some active spy that gets burned?
No, but the statement we are discussing assumes this from the start: "I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life."
Yeah but we're discussing the case where it would kill all spies. My statement was in response to (I repeat): "I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life."
Yeah but this is not "dying for your country" (it wouldnt benefit the USA in any way) but rather "dying for a single civilian of an adversary country". They didnt sign up for that.
I don't care about impossible thought experiments
Then don't comment on one and don't waste my time telling me that my answer to a morality question is "ridicolous" because it didn't happen.
Lmao waste your time? You're on a shitposting forum, you're doing that yourself.
I didn't pose any hypotheticals, I pointed out that your weepy moralizing over the idea of endangering spies is ludicrous.
No, you tried shifting the discussion and when I told you what was being discussed, you simply said you're uninterested.
No I'm not. I never claimed anyone was in danger.
Yeah it is and nobody did. I certainly didnt.
Smooth tiny baby brain lol
Thanks :)
On a seperate note, brain size does not relate to intelligence.