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Festival crowd boos at video of conference speakers gushing about how great AI is
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this post was submitted on 15 Mar 2024
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AI has all the popularity of the spoiled vaping neighbor kid and his new drone.
Businesses love it because it will vaporize the workforce. Consumers hate it because they know they're going to get a severely degraded experience in return.
Nuff said
and tech workers have mixed feelings about it, because it's made their job 10x easier whilst making them 10x more expendable
What? No it hasn’t.
Which part of my statement are you objecting to. I can definitely say the first part is true (N=20), and say the second part is somewhat true and growing (N=5), from my own personal observations of friends, family, and colleagues.
found the AI
guess I found the new "ok, boomer" blanket dismissal phrase.... this will be a fun decade
Fuck Off Shillbot 9000
There are impressionable youths for you to lie to elsewhere
...do you even know what a shill is? God, dishing out insults that don't even make sense...
I'm flattered you robot scum consider us God. At least part of you knows your place.
Just sit back, and consider what you're writing. Check that it makes any legible sense, and most of all just take a moment to consider why your tone is so disparaging to someone you don't even know.
Also, just to take your comment at face value (because maybe you're just a teen still learning how to form arguments): if you truly do fear a robot uprising to the degree that you need to insult those you perceive as robots, how do you think you will fare when an actual robot uprising occurs?
Or conversely: if you denigrate everyone you disagree with as being nothing more than robots and elevate yourself to Godhood status in contrast, then what does that actually say about the fragility of your ego when faced with mere robots?
They always forget to code in the quit for these fuckers. Most humans would give up after two or three replies that were complete resignation from the conversation and purely insults.
Masochist fucking robots.
Tell me about it
All you get is a base to work with, i have never had a working solution out of there. They tend to create commands and parameters which aren't existing just because it would be logical, it works like a naive brain.
It is a glorified Google search and won't replace any tech workers for quite some time, or never. I would compare it with a calculator for techies, if you have no idea what you're doing you won't get anything out of it.
Sometimes a base is all you need though. I have colleagues whose job it is to write trainings based on tool workflows, and this is something that AI can do right now, flawlessly
True, but the point ist that it's worthless without a person
"doch!"
Spot on
Deadass fam, no cap.
It sucks that anything capitalism touches turn to shit.
It is a great tool when used properly. But everyone and their mother has an AI startup with prompt engineers, whatever the fuck that means.
It can be so much more than a fucking tech fad, but it is destined to be milked and pushed down our throats to make rich people richer until this cow dies and a new one come in the repeat the cycle.
I am mad that our shot at AI will only be a tool to fuck us over.
@Croquette @DestroyerOfWorlds It’s all open source though and anyone can use it
Open source? Not the best currently available models.
Models are getting more efficient and hardware is getting more powerful, it's completely feasible that open source, self hosted, GPT4 equivalent and better models will be completely viable to run as individuals for reasonable costs (hundreds, not thousands) in the not too distant future.
As always, the will and knowledge to use the tools falls to the individual.
@Xerxos no, and i don't mean to be all hand-wavey and say 'oh AI isn't a problem because it's open source' BUT, it does give me some vague hope because an increasing number of really good models are being open sourced and lots of people not working for shitty corporations are having a lot of success with non-corporate AI models so... i dunno, some good could come of it?
some bad could be mitigated? maybe?
Yeah but it will be used to make our life shittier and that's the issue.
@Croquette yeah, i feel like if today, someone invented a cure for cancer, it would be weaponized as leverage against some group/country
it's alot to do with the political state of the world which is a lot to do with enduring oligarchies
Sadly it's still ragingly popular in the tech start up / tech bro / LinkedIn cringe world.
My job is, among other things, ML related...I try to warn them off of this rhetoric all the time but they can't stop being distracted by the shiny jingling keys.
I also work in ML, and it's really hard to convince people that generative AI is just a gimmick and does not have the same value as other kinds of models like classification models. Computers should do utilitarian things, not social things.
Using AI to automate simple tasks is the future. Using AI to automate complex human tasks that involve socialization should not be the future.
Even some non-generative graphics AI like GroundingDINO and SAM have excellent uses for graphic artists and photographers that don't betray the creative process or remove the human from the process of creation.
But once you get the AI to try to be original, or perform a social task, you're headed the wrong direction. This is all short term hype. In the long term, either the bubble pops, or we find ourselves locked in a prison with our monsterous creation.
As you say, responsible ML is an interpretable scalpel, not a black box hammer. These ocean boiling LLMs purporting to be a tool with universal generalism are such a categorical disaster--for ecology, for the health of the field, for public understanding.
It's hard to go to work and have these conversations over and over again, to be honest it's depressing, wearing me down. I suspect I'll say no one too many times to "putting AI in our product" (by which they mean destroying simple well designed navigation by putting everything behind a chatbot search etc) and be let go.
I had a conversation with one of my mates, who was convinced, "AI is creative in the same way humans are creative. Therefore AI is actual intelligence."
It was a struggle to try to explain how LLMs aren't creative at all, can't conceptualize understanding, and are unable to determine whether they know something or not. I think I used painting terms, and AI being unable to consistently categorize a new color without being re-trained. He disagreed. Full blown nutter with no more understanding of the tech than you can find on FB, but he's certain he knows best.
Unfortunate thing is your mate is on par with the working knowledge of big venture capital swilling CEOs, CTOs, not to mention the other departments trying to get in on that sweet sweet prompt "magic"