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is telling your employer you may leave if passive aggressive coworkers don't stop gossiping about you behind your back and gaslighting you a good idea? (linux.community)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I always thought of it like this: if a workplace makes you feel devalued or is toxic (gaslighting and ranting about you behind your back), you quietly find new pastures.

Now, however, I think this is the wrong approach: why do I have to accept they bully me? I should defend myself. And doesn't the manager have to make sure a workplace ain't toxic? Instead of quietly looking for a new job next time this happens, wouldn't it be better to confront, document and escalate instead of letting it go? even if HR only exists to protect the company and not me.

If HR and manager do nothing to address the problem, wouldn't it be a better strategy to start working the least possible and let the company fire me, while looking for another job?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I have only ever worked in germany so thats all I can talk about from a legal perspective (not a lawyer):

If people bully you and you can find evidence for it, the colleagues, maybe your manager and the whole company can be shit out of luck and you win. A lot of folks have successfully sued (which is very cheap in germany, you dont even need a lawyer at first) for „mobbing“ (bullying essentially).

If one or more colleagues bully you, you collect evidence, confront your manager. They then have reason to terminate the offender if the evidence is strong.

If the manager doesnt act, you have reason to sue and get considerable sums out of the company.

But yes, if people go behind your back and oust you, they are in the wrong. Even if you did wrong, they should talk to you about it or involve management. Social ousting is never an acceptable reaction imo.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In the states, you'd probably be let go for something like this. At will employment means you can be let go for any or no reason, it's total BS. Google just recently waited until a group of union members were in front of city council to fire them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

At will employment is modern slavery imo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

It's also not as strong as you would think. At will means they can fire you for any reason, it doesn't mean you cant sue them for wrongful termination and very easily win. It's still fascist garbage designed to give employers all of the power but it's toothless with a good lawyer.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago

Exactly like slavery. Exactly same. ಠ_ಠ