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It’s No Surprise That “Skills-Based” Hiring Has Not Worked (www.forbes.com)
submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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This article outlines an opinion that organizations either tried skills based hiring and reverted to degree required hiring because it was warranted, or they didn't adapt their process in spite of executive vision.

Since this article is non industry specific, what are your observations or opinions of the technology sector? What about the general business sector?

Should first world employees of businesses be required to obtain degrees if they reasonably expect a business related job?

Do college experiences and academic rigor reveal higher achieving employees?

Is undergraduate education a minimum standard for a more enlightened society? Or a way to hold separation between classes of people and status?

Is a masters degree the new way to differentiate yourself where the undergrad degree was before?

Edit: multiple typos, I guess that's proof that I should have done more college 😄

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (48 children)

As much as I hate the higher education requirement, if I get another “boot camp” developer application I’m gonna puke.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (41 children)

Can you talk about this more?

  • Does it mean that a boot camp coder is not skilled enough?
  • Would that have those skills if they did a degree program?
  • Would any degree in computer/IT suffice?
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (37 children)

There are people who went to Boot Camps that are excellent developers. There are people who have a masters degree in computer science who are awful developers.

skilled enough.

For entry level? Honestly, not usually. They know one thing, and if they deviate from that, their quality breaks down fast.

degree program.

Well, there’s no guarantee right? But they’d have a more well rounded understanding of programming. Anyone can use a Class, but can you make one?

degrees

Any programming degree, along with an acceptable understanding of the technologies they need on day one.

For my job specifically, we need someone with PHP experience. Not just how to . My favorite interview question is, “explain to me your understanding of PHP magic methods and how you would use them, in a basic example.”

I get a lot of dumb looks, and wrong answers.

That being said, I hired someone who failed that test, but they had a good personality and a willingness to learn—and they have a CS degree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Obviously, there's a lot of 'it depends on the person' in this topic. At least in my mind. I think you're right in that both things (degree/camp) create good and bad results.

I get a lot of dumb looks, and wrong answers.

  • Do you have any experience hiring a person who passed that test, who wasn't a degree holder?

  • Do you have any experiences where someone failed that test, wasn't a degree holder, and you hired them anyway?

  • Do you feel you could put a ratio to it in your field/employer?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I don’t have statistics for you.

I’ve never had a good experience personally, as a developer, with someone whose applicable education came only from a boot camp.

Boot camps are fine for supplemental education. For learning a new skill. But are not (usually) a good foundation, and don’t teach you enough to actually get a job.

Also, and this is more personal, it’s kind of annoying when someone thinks their 60 hour class should get them a high paying job.

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