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Western troops on the ground in Ukraine is not 'ruled out' in the future, French leader says (apnews.com)

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French President Emmanuel Macron said Monday that sending Western troops on the ground in Ukraine is not “ruled out” in the future after the issue was debated at a gathering if European leaders, as Russia’s full-scale invasion grinds into a third year.

The French leader said at the meeting of 20 European heads of state and other Western officials in Paris that “we will do everything needed so Russia cannot win the war.”

“There’s no consensus today to send in an official, endorsed manner troops on the ground. But in terms of dynamics, nothing can be ruled out,” Macron said in a news conference.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I know it’s not a popular opinion but how about we don’t escalate a war with a nuclear super power.

In history a war ending in total victory is a rare thing, peace is much more often achieved with a negotiated settlement or a ceasefire. Now with nuclear weapons a total victory is even more unimaginable, whatever the war aims of the West they are not worth the risk.

Just to be extra clear: A ceasefire does not mean recognizing the occupied territories. A negotiated settlement does not mean no consequences for starting a war of aggression. But the people that decided to escalate this conflict are not the ones dying on the frontline. The soldiers dying are conscripts, people that did not have the means or connections to escape this horrible fait.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Appeasement does not work either. What do you propose? Let them take Ukraine, and continue west?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A ceasefire or a negotiated settlement. This continue-west war mongering is complete bs, they can’t even take Ukraine. How is Russia ever supposed to roll over Europe.

Plus taking over all of Ukraine is an unattainable war aim of Russia, their army and economy is not sufficient to subdue such a large population on such a large land mass. Especially considering how cohesive the Ukrainian population has been thus far. So if both sides can not realistically achieve their goals there is room for a positive sum negotiation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

How is Russia ever supposed to roll over Europe.

The same way they are taking over Ukraine: invade, occupy and threaten mutual destruction unless appeasement demands are met. You r solution is not a compromise for Russia when it gets exactly what it wanted.

"War is upon you whether you like it or not".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

They're just French people on vacation to Crimea with guns.

And obviously you can't give the army a vacation without giving the navy and air force one too.