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Why aren't more releases x265? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Nearing the filling of my 14.5TB hard drive and wanting to wait a bit longer before shelling out for a 60TB raid array, I've been trying to replace as many x264 releases in my collection with x265 releases of equivalent quality. While popular movies are usually available in x265, less popular ones and TV shows usually have fewer x265 options available, with low quality MeGusta encodes often being the only x265 option.

While x265 playback is more demanding than x264 playback, its compatibility is much closer to x264 than the new x266 codec. Is there a reason many release groups still opt for x264 over x265?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This. It sounds really odd to me that the GPU would make what is pretty much math calculations somehow "different" from what the CPU would do.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

GPU encoders basically all run at the equivalent of "fast" or "veryfast" CPU encoder settings.

Most high quality, low size encodes are run at "slow" or "veryslow" or "placebo" CPU encoder settings, with a lot of the parameters that aren't tunable on GPU encoders set to specific tunings depending on the content type.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

NVENC has a slow preset:

https://docs.nvidia.com/video-technologies/video-codec-sdk/12.0/ffmpeg-with-nvidia-gpu/index.html#command-line-for-latency-tolerant-high-quality-transcoding

As they expand the NVENC options that are exposed on the command line, is it getting closer to CPU-encoding level of quality?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

So the GPU encoding isn't using the GPU cores. It's using separate fixed hardware. It supports way less operations than a CPU does. They're not running the same code.

But even if you did compare GPU cores to CPU cores, they're not the same. GPUs also have a different set of operations from a CPU, because they're designed for different things. GPUs have a bunch of "cores" bundled under one control unit. They all do the exact same operation at the same time, and have significantly less capability beyond that. Code that diverges a lot, especially if there's not an easy way to restructure data so all 32 cores under a control unit* branch the same way, can pretty easily not benefit from that capability.

As architectures get more complex, GPUs are adding things that there aren't great analogues for in a CPU yet, and CPUs have more options to work with (smaller) sets of the same operation on multiple data points, but at the end of the day, the answer to your question is that they aren't doing the same math, and because of the limitations of the kind of math GPUs are best at, no one is super incentivized to try to get a software solution that leverages GPU core acceleration.

*last I checked, that's what a warp on nvidia cards was. It could change if there's a reason to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Every encoder does different math calculations. Different software and different software profiles do different math calculations too.