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There is no option for deletion for this app. Its draining my battery, and I read various posts they said that this app spy location and do lot of other stuff. I'm really confused after noticing it and reading such stuff. What should I do, I tried to disable it but it again activates when I restart phone?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

and I read various posts they said that this app spy location and do lot of other stuff.

The source(s) you heard these things from are blatant misinformation. They fail to correctly understand the technology; which is "Federated Learning". Basically it's a form of AI training that obscures the data from the operator(s) so that it cannot be read, but the AI can learn from it privately. Bits and pieces of work are assigned to devices to "train" the AI privately, on the device using it's AI focused hardware. Your device never allows your data to leave the device; even if your data is used to train the AI.

I tried to disable it but it again activates when I restart phone?

This is a core system component of Android and you cannot disable it. It is the core function of Android System Intelligence module. The Private Compute Services is what is allowed to read your data; and if you've not opted out, can train bits of AI on your data without revealing or sharing that data to anyone. I repeat, your data does not leave the device, it is only used as training material. Yes, that has some privacy implications that they do try to address.

Please see this comic first: https://federated.withgoogle.com/

and then feel free to read up on Wikipedia about it to learn more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_learning

In Android 14, at least on a Pixel, it's possible to opt out of these functions easily in Settings > Security & Privacy > More Security & Privacy. Similarly this menu can also "forget" everything your device has "learned" locally about your data and habits...which might help you with battery drain issues.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I do not want my data to train AIs regardless of whether that data leaves my device or not.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

TBH if it was Graphene doing it to improve my battery life and I could audit the ACLs set up so I can confirm that it doesn't leave the device, then I'd keep it switched on. Of course, I'd want to data to be deleted on a schedule with just the inferences maintained and want it locked down and encrypted as much as possible.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The underlying sentiment is that I don't want someone to profit from my data without fair recompense and far more importantly, WITHOUT MY CONSENT. Everything else is fluff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I completely get you. Agreed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I wouldn't mind them using my data for good things. But I know they don't, their motivation is always profit - to extract wealth from me to their shareholders.

I think that's what I find so creepy about the comic, this delusional view of themselves as the good guys when their actions will always result in their profit rising more than any theoretical productivity and wage gains from technology. "Hey everyone! We've found a new and ethical way for everyone to help shovel our collective graves! Yay!"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

That is a valid stance and feeling to have; and you can in fact turn off and opt out of the AI features in Android to reduce the issue to a non-issue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Thats scary wtf?

If you are on a Pixel, switch to GrapheneOS.