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When Al-Qaeda themselves claimed responsibility, even with overwhelming evidence aside? Why were so many people still reluctant, I was researching about this stuff and was shocked to see people who I respect a lot believe in this

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Donald Trump's presidency pretty much removed any doubt I had about the official 9/11 story.

He proved that our government is full of regular idiots who are just barely able to work together. Of course the 3 letter agencies have a lot of power and fancy technology, but if the CIA or NSA was seriously that in control of this country, Trump would have never happened. He is a bumbling moron who did a ton of damage to this country and nobody lifted a finger apparently? Damaging alliances, burning undercover assets, etc.

Our Congress can't work together long enough to pass basic bills. No way the Patriot act was planned with a false flag in mind.

The 9/11 conspiracy is just way too big and would need way too many participants to keep it under wraps like that.

Plus, every big disaster has conspiracy theories. If you believe all of them, you're pretty much saying bad things never happen without the overlords planning them. 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, JFK assassination, RFK assassination, Pearl Harbor, and every other major event have had massive conspiracy theories and claims that they were inside jobs.

Yeah, the official story has holes but reality is messy. It was a big attack involving/affecting a lot of agencies, corporations, and people. It's pretty much guaranteed that out of the measly 365 days in a year, a lot of these groups and individuals would be doing their "once a year" inspections, misremember details in their panic, deal with other terrorist attacks, intersect with ongoing crimes that were being committed separately, etc.

Seriously, a plane crashed into one of the biggest and wealthiest business centers in the world. The conspiracy theories write themselves no matter how clear the evidence is. Of course one of those companies has ties to foreign governments, obviously one of the CEOs is commiting fraud, one of the employees is bound to have worked for the government in a sensitive role. Imagine the ties you could find on one of the planes alone. Every plane in the sky right now has a politician's relative, a political activist, a criminal, a foreign diplomat, high-ranking military, or all of the above. All of these things would spark a great conspiracy theory. Imagine the things you could find if you wanted to blame Boeing. Start looking into details about every employee they have and connect some dots. It's easy.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Oh I agree, you dig for dirt, you'll find it, guarenteed. Whether or not it's actually connected and not happenstance, that's a different story.

You only need you and 23 other people in a room to find two people with the same birthday. Coincidence is much more common than we think, just like true random doesn't feel like random to us, and if something doesnt make sense, the brain can basically retcon on the spot and you'll believe it as dogma to your core.

It's important to be aware of and to acknowledge our limitations, for sure. Crazy important.

But let's keep playing. Take my comment and strike out everything about the buildings falling and I'm still calling it sus.

Were we just that unlucky that the first ever stress test of NORAD happened to coincide? Maybe, it's a possibility, an extremely small one. 1/18687 to be exact. Not very probable.

How about the missile into the Pentagon that was broadcast on live TV? The gas station footage was broadcast not the actual live event. Story goes reporters found a single camera that hadn't already been seized and was pointing in the right direction.

So I'm a poli sci guy. Where normal people flow sports teams or celebrities, I follow politics. Global politics as well as domestic, both federal and my state. It's just what I do. Easily I've read 50+ articles a day since 1997. EASILY. That day was the first day for me at a new tree service, and I was the first guy to arrive at the arborists house before we rolled out and I delivered the news of the attack. Guys started showing up, we had the news flipped on and BAM 2nd Impact. Work was called off that day, after that. The Pentagon news came about 2 hours later, we were all still sitting in the arborists living room, just watching when the footage played, so 5 sets of eyes saw it and I said bullshit that's a plane. 2 guys were ex military, they went off, about wreckage, how small the impact is. I can not forget that memory, besides the 2nd tower falling, the Pentagon lie, a quick oopsies they hoped ppl would forget if they just lied loud enough and fast enough, that redacting in real time, really set the dark tone that was to come. It wasn't that we were just attacked. Some part of it was opportunistic.

2001 was basically the stone ages compared to now. The Internet was still geocities, a/s/l chatrooms. All your base had JUST belonged to us. It would've taken a whole lot less individuals to conduct something in an unmonitored world.

I don't claim to know what happened, I just knew we're being lied too. There's no theory, just calling bullshit for what it is.