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The fact that their casualties were 5 times worse (or about 150x worse if we're counting tanks) than ours might have had something to do with them not wanting our shit country.
Not that it matters. The important thing was they didn't conquer us.
Well, not anymore that much, thanks to our NATO friends.
As you correctly point out, this is not the only thing that matters. Other issues contributed to USSR failing to conquer Finland as they set out to do. As they indeed did to every other country they had been given the permission to conquer from Hitler.
I wonder how serious Rule 2 is to lemmy.ml admins, when people keep breaking it everywhere without any consequences. Is this a sort of sandbox that I have entered into, and that's why so many people are throwing tantrums here?
edit Okay they do take it seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#Soviet_order_of_battle
"The 7th Army, comprising nine divisions, a tank corps and three tank brigades, was located on the Karelian Isthmus. Its objective was to quickly overrun the Finnish defenses on the Karelian Isthmus and conquer Viipuri. From there, the 7th Army was to continue towards Lappeenranta, then turn west towards Lahti, before the final push to the capital Helsinki. The force was later divided into the 7th and 13th Armies."
That 7th Army was the one that received extremely heavy casualties in their attempts of a breakthrough.
Also, the land concessions before starting this war demanded removal of defensive lines and a military base near Helsinki (the capital). This was just diplomacy as a means to make the war easier.
yes, they did attack finland. but where did they state that they wanted to annex all of it?
Not sure. The wikipedia article claims "Most sources conclude that the Soviet Union had intended to conquer all of Finland, and cite the establishment of the puppet Finnish Communist government and the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact's secret protocols as evidence of this, while other sources argue against the idea of a full Soviet conquest." -- so I guess it's not entirely non-controversial.
USSR did annex all the other countries listed in Molotov-Ribbentrop though: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, eastern parts of Poland and Romania.
Well, I'm so sorry, but this discussion is just not important enough for me that I feel the need to do actual research. I'm sure you can follow up the sources in the wiki if you want to find out more yourself.
Lmao you've been commenting in this thread nonstop for a full day now
Guilty as charged, but in my defense I've been killing time while waiting for CI runs to complete... I probably could have and should have killed a little less time today.
Maybe kill time by reading something beyond Wikipedia
Maybe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#cite_note-KR2007_13-137
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#cite_note-138
yeah, so they definitely didnt do it to finland not because they didnt want to in the first place, but because plucky finns something something. cool.
"They tried to take the capital" does not translate to "they wanted to annex the whole country." Taking the enemy's capital is a smart move in war because it severely diminishes their ability to fight and thus makes it easier to extract the concessions you want.
Read Clausewitz.