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We are truly on the cusp of socialist revolution just like Marx said. If we extrapolate the lemmygrad instance to the rest of the world, that means it's only a couple years max until we behead those pesky billionaires starting with wrren bffet. It's simple math if you read this philosophers textbook " Das Kapital."
Not really sure what the point of your comment is, it comes off as anti-Marx but doesn't really address any of the observations Marx made. It's like a soyjack in comment form.
OK I'll be serious for a second. The comment was ant-Marx. I think that the idea that capitalism would inevitably lead to a socialist revolution is not a real thing. I'm looking at all the capitalist western countries and see that there is no real need or even desire for people to overhaul the whole financial and governmental systems. Although socialists are becoming more prominent over the years especially on the internet, I believe that this is only relegated to the internet. The only thing close to socialism that we have is Bernie Sanders and he's not really a powerful politician so others would probably not emulate him in the future.
You can think that this is a cope or a soyjack-like post all you want, but at least I live in the real world where we're not waiting for a fantasy revolution that would make us work in socialist utopias where everyone is a farmer in a small garden or a hair stylist or whatever the fuck people thing it's gonna be like. I know the issues that would plague something like socialism or communism and know that capitalism solves all the problems there. Just look at the USSR in their last years and how much the US was outpacing them in terms of technology and production. The quality of life in capitalist countries was and still is leagues above any socialist or communist countries.
I can understand when people criticize the current system we have since it's 100% not perfect. But to just call for a socialist revolution instead of better methods of regulation and closing loops as we discover them is just stupid.
And lastly, the post is pretty stupid on another level since the "woes of capitalism" are there because of events that mess up global trade like the pandemic or the current Houthi attacks on the red sea, when you know for a fact that any country that's not extremely closed off and protectionist would be just as impacted.
Yea, I was right, you genuinely don't understand Marx nor what Marxists are talking about. If you did, you'd be making coherent points and not randomly attacking strawmen you've created.
The collapse of Capitalism doesn't necessitate Socialist revolution. It's up to Socialists to try to push for that, but Capitalism collapsing doesn't necessitate Socialism's rise.
There remains to be an increasing need for Socialism as exploitation rises, both in developed countries and the global south. Competition drives increased exploitation of Workers, and we observe this in increased disparity.
Socialism is rising in popularity not just online, but in real life, if polls are to be believed.
Nobody thinks Socialism would look like what you're describing, it's not going to be a bunch of dissonant communes. Worker councils running things and democratically deciding production without a Capitalist doesn't mean things take the form of hippie Communes.
What problems come from Socialism and how does Capitalism solve them? You made this point without actually elaborating on it.
The USSR, during its time, was a developing country. That's like comparing America to Brazil and saying quality of life is better in America. No shit, America is a developed country. I don't even think the USSR is a good example of what Socialists want, this point is just terrible.
Correct, developed countries have better quality of life than developing countries. Can you tie this to mode of production, or is this just a non-sequitor?
What makes regulations and closing loopholes better than restructuring society to be more democratic and remove rent-seeking?
The woes of Capitalism include inherent structural flaws like the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall, rising disparity, and exploitation of Workers at the hands of Capitalists. Additionally, Capitalism is fundamentally anti-democratic.
That's what I mean, this is just a soyjack. You don't have any actual points, just a field of strawmen and no understanding of Marx or Marxism. You'd do well to read Marx like the meme suggests.