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Best we can do is fascism and climate apocalypse.
Fascism is similarly unsustainable, if we fail and can't achieve Socialism from Capitalism then fascism will take its place, and will also collapse. Same with climate, if we fail to properly handle it we will almost certainly go extinct, but the door remains open for life in millenia.
Even Socialism seems transitory to me. Much better than Capitalism, but once labor can be more broadly automated, we need to think of something other than money quickly.
Communism is just that, same with Anarchism (though Anarcho-Communism skips Socialism). You're correct, but that is for after Socialism.
Shhhhh, im trying to lead them to that conclusion without the big scary C word.
Haha, I gotchu.
As capitalism itself has demonstrated, people and money can operate just fine when others are doing the work.
Hopefully earth finds harmony after humans.
Harmony with what?
Harmony without 150 species being driven to extinction every day by one organisms population.
Okay that’s “without”. In harmony, with what?
Are you stupid? Without humans destroying the environment.
A person never knows when they’re stupid.
I think “stability” is the word you’re looking for here. Harmony is a beautiful word, and should only be used to refer to the thing itself.
Harmony: the quality of forming a pleasing and consistent whole.
Works fine where it is. Pedantry is an ugly look.
Everything is unsustainable. So far, nothing has been observed to last forever.
Fascism tends to collapse a lot faster than capitalism though, because of its inherent drive to rework the world into something new. Fascism cannot abide non-fascism existing, and contains the implicit imperative to invade and impose fascism.
Just want to add this is not unique to fascism. It is an emergent property of all systems that seek to reshape the world.