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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The developer worked his ass off to repurpose his app to Lemmy for us.

I was more than happy to pay for his time. Hard work deserves reward. If people aren't going to pay him and use the free version, which you're welcome to, then he makes his money from ads (which pay fuck-all)

You're just a bunch of cheapskates who want to be entertained for nothing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (12 children)

ya went a little too far at the end there. nothing wrong with not wanting to pay a subscription fee lol. its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need

Do you think professional independent developers shouldn't be paid for their work? Do you think this kind of development is effortless?

I don't understand why people keep parroting this. The app is free. It's a professionally developed app, where the quality tradeoff is either ads (which can be blocked) or your choice of ad removal payments.

This isn't some company trying to exploit the community here, this is a full time app developer who just had his livelihood completely cut off. People begged him to make a version for Lemmy, and he did. He deserves to be paid for the hours and work he put in to make it happen. You can't make an app if you can't buy food or pay rent.

And if you don't like that, then don't use it. He's never pressured users into paying, and he's never suggested everyone on Lemmy should just send him money. He isn't even spamming posts advertising the app, enthusiastic users are.

Why is everyone so upset?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not the one who's upset. Look at the guy I replied to. I'm literally not using the app and it's not my responsibility to support the creator lol. I'm literally just saying I'm not a cheapskate because I'm not using your paid alternative.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

No one is calling you a cheapskate. It's just that when you said this:

its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need

...in context, it comes off as "Sync is not necessary to exist, therefore no one should pay him."

I understand what you mean now, but you worded it terribly.

And by the way, going around in the comments being unnecessarily hostile and calling people "dumbfuck" or "asshole," when they were just as confused at your poor phrasing, makes you come off as an asshole, so maybe work on that :)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is everyone so upset?

You know why, it's because in the eyes of Lemmy users who have been here all along, launch of Sync is the start of their eternal September. I moved to reddit back in 2010 as a Digg refugee after the infamous redesign, I saw much of the same back then (down to the plethora of programming and Linux memes).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sync isn't trying to replace all Lemmy frontends or other FOSS apps, it's trying to provide a Reddit-like experience for people who miss it.

People just find reasons to be upset, I swear.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

it’s trying to provide a Reddit-like experience for people who miss it.

Ads and all 🤣

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the reason lemmy is struggling, it's mainly Linux gatekeepers and foss elitists. Along with lemmy needing a slight learning period, the community just spews toxic shit relentlessly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

No. Elitists are the ones who are elitists. They just chose FOSS as their high horse to be holier than though. To beat the vegan horse I'm going to use Linux users as an example.

Anytime anyone irl talks about Linux it's not really about how great Linux has met their needs. It's usually about how great it is that it isn't windows.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Complaining about a $20 purchase you don't have to make qualifies for "cheapskate" I think. Simply not purchasing it, or not wanting to purchase it, is fine. The difference is entitlement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I think the point of this post was the lack of regional pricing, so for them it is not a $20 purchase.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

not wanting to pay a subscription fee

It's a one-time $20. It's literally in the meme were both commenting on.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Irrelevant to my point but either way I saw other posts about a subscription.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He didn't go too far. It is a broad and overbearing, but generally accurate statement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How? I don't want to pay for an app when I have one that satisfies my needs for free.That doesn't make me a cheapskate. I was using this before Sync was even available. I can express my opinions about it too. I don't think it's worth the money when the service is already free and I don't like it's tactics to make you pay. But again, why would I care if someone paid for Sync? I'm not going to call all Sync users money wasters. Clearly they found value in it. People who didn't aren't just cheapskates

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing works for "free" they ask for donations. And just cuz you don't wanna use an app doesn't make it useless or an app "we don't need". Also there's not "tactics" to make you pay, guy's just asking you to pay to remove ads, they made the app, it's their choice how it should work. You're not expected to buy it or use it, it's just out there as an option if you want to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is free, in both meanings of the word. Donations are donations. I didn't say it was useless and by "we" i mean all the people that guy called cheapskate. They are tactics. Never said it wasn't their choice. For the last time, I don't use the fucking app. That doesn't make me a cheapskate. This is the most ridiculous comment section. The original guy was shitting on others for NOT using the app. I don't fucking caaaare what people use. Good lord.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago
  1. You clearly do. 2. Cheapskate.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the implication that the sync dev is doing something nefarious by charging to remove ads from the free app they developed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't imply that. I don't like the ad model and I think it's bad for people. How many times are people going to try to make this dev sound like the most humble person ever. The poor dev made this free app and you wont support them. Dude can and already has made money. I'm not saying not to support independent devs. I'm saying I don't like the model and that's my fucking choice to not use it. I'm fine with Jerboa and I'm not a cheapskate because I wasn't convinced to use Sync. This is the most bizarre opposition I've ever faced.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The major issue for some is regional pricing. Where I'm from lifetime costs around $110 in regional currency

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Someone correct me but IIRC the Reddit Is Fun paid version costed way less that 20$.

I hope they release Lemmy Is Fun or something.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He doesn't deserve any reward for making spyware/adware garbage. His app is at odds with the ethos of lemmy. Fuck your ad hominem.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lol spyware 🤣🤣

Do you work for free?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@drekly @Plswrk, nobody needs to work for free, but creating incommings by spying the user to sell his data to third party isn't an acceptable way to gain money. There are a lot of methodes to gain money in the network, but with surveillance advertising spyware is the worse and with big risks for the user, which can't control where his personal data ends up.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He just put ads in his app mate. He's not in the CIA

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@drekly, simple ads are not a problem, if they are based on the content of the page and not based on user logs. Ads as is only can be somewhat annoying if there a lot in the page or they appears in the middle of a concert in YT, but no are a risk for the user privacy, no more than a commercial poster in the street or an ad in TV. As with all, bad the abuse. Years ago you saw 1-2 banners in a page, but novadays you must seek the webcontent between advertisings, banners, cookieadvices and popups

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@drekly, no ok, blocking trackers is legit selfdefense, but also the abuse of ads, blocking these also is needed. Only it isn't a problem when a web shows an banner image or two, this can be tolerated, but not the abuse of ads currently and annoying popups, it is legit to block this crap.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can maneuver all you want, it is spyware. My hobby work is free. I don't track my users nor do I inundate them with ads. I believe that's unethical.

My work work is not available for free in any capacity whatsoever.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good job you're not using an android phone so it doesn't matter!

It's his full time job, so his "work work " isn't free in any capacity either, you either pay with ad revenue or you pay with $20

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He chose to go down that path. No one forced him. It's a brain dead argument mate.

Oh and btw, it is free in some capacity. You do not have to pay to use the free version. It's literally called the fucking free version.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The free version with ads that pay the developer that everyone's losing their minds over like they've never seen an advert before.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rightfully so, because it tracks you, collects and sells your data and inundates you with ads, which is literally every single fucking thing lemmy was built to get around.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Or is it just a continuation of the usual Google platform. Being used on a Google phone with a Google account.