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Andrew Tate is absolute trash. He's also not one of the lonely people he's targeting.
I'm not defending Tate or Peterson. I'm defending the lonely men who fall prey to his bullshit because everybody else just ridicules lonely people for being desperate enough to reach out to the only people offering anything to them at all.
Perhaps these men should reach out to a therapist and not bigoted, hateful pieces of shit?
Because that requires them to accept they have an issue. Tate et al tells them society is at fault and they don't need to change.
Finally, somebody offered something other than than ridicule. Yes, this is an actual response.
Personally I don't think therapy will make men less lonely, but it might provide them with better coping mechanisms and a response to that loneliness.
So the secret to deprogramming a rapist's online cult members is just to have really good intentions. Got it.
I think I'm just going to continue ridiculing Tate. If that hurts his believers' feelings and they feel a bit ridiculous, well, I guess I'll have to live with myself.
Yes, the secret to deprogramming a rapist's cult is definitely 100% to have good intentions for those lonely men who fall prey to the cult.
Yes, keep ridiculing Tate because he is ridiculous and hostile. But if you are generally ridiculing lonely people for their desperation and their failure to find a good response to their misery... then you are exactly the same as Tate.
You know a ton of Tate's followers are children, right? There are a fuckload of societal issues beyond just "loneliness" in play here.
The meme is explicitly about lonely men falling prey to brainwashing. That's what we've been talking about this whole time.
If you actually care about diminishing the power of Tate's ugliness, you would offer something other than more ugliness to those lonely people.
You are amazingly unspecific about what that something might be. How about something more concrete than generic feel-good platitudes?
I think making counseling a mandatory part of school for everyone would go a long way to helping prevent this problem. Something to get the kids that are behind socially to be more comfortable socializing. When I was a kid all the incel types were coming out of highschool having had the shit bullied out of them for years and being afraid to socialize with anyone outside their group. Then they get out of school with social skills and at the mercy of wherever they end up(college, job, neet, whatever) if they don't find someone to include them in shit and rewire them out of that "other people are cruel" mindset they're fucked.
Not ridiculing lonely people for being lonely. That's literally all I'm suggesting.
But you go ahead and keep herding lonely people towards Tate or suicide.