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True. This exposes American foreign policy as hypocritical as it usually is. What is also sad is the fact that US citizens can do little about it as long as nothing fundamentally changes. In the next presidential election, they only have the choice between an obviously criminal fascist and a halfway normal-thinking politician who does not shy away from supporting crimes against humanity. How one can still speak of a functioning democracy in this situation is beyond me. It's just a choice between plague and cholera.
Well, all the more need for change then.
If you're going to imply that Biden is an "obviously criminal fascist," I'm going to need some receipts.
You're not wrong about most of what you said but I am wondering why you seemed to equate those two choices in President. From the way you described them one seems pretty drastically worse than the other to me.
You have to decide for yourselves. All I am saying is that choosing between two evils does not correspond to my understanding of a democracy in which politics pursues the interests of the people. Of course, you always have to make concessions, but for me both candidates would be unelectable if there were alternatives, namely a third or even a fourth option. But your system doesn't provide for that. That's why I think you should consider whether this system makes sense - but you'll have to answer this question yourselves, I'm afraid.
The system doesn't make sense. Everyone knows that. But it's the system we have. So you either have to engage with the system to change the system. As we have historically done. Or find a way to overthrow the system to replace it with something better. something that has only ever been attempted by racists and in more recent times, twice by Republican fascists. Though not many share their limited idea of better.
You want better choices? Don't just vote every 4 years in the general. Vote every year in every primary and general. Don't just vote. Campaign for someone. Don't just campaign for someone. Run yourself.
Someone has never heard of the French Revolution or the October revolution.
Apparently only right wingers get to work outside of the system. If you're a good person you work within the system. /s
Peak liberal right here. "The status quo is what we have, no matter how horrible. What are you, some kind of right winger?"
I was speaking specifically about American history. But if you want to be a jerk. Yes, those things did happen. And that October revolution worked out so well for the USSR. They'll never have a fascist in charge of them. Oh wait, the USSR fell. They have a fascist in charge of them. Oh well, at least the French revolution was all good and they don't have a wishy-washy capitalist simp in charge. Shocked Pikachu. Maybe we should check it on that American revo........no. it's almost like violent revolutions are really only good for a short time cathartic release through murder. And not actual long-term significant change. Don't get me wrong. Let me know when you all decide to finally go March on zuck or musk and drag them out of their homes. I'm totally there for that. But we need to have a plan afterwards. Because a bloody revolution tends to only beget bloody revolution, it seems.
And I'm afraid to say that if you think that those groups are in any way significantly right-wing you are the one who's willfully uninformed here. Authoritarians are not significantly left or right-wing they'll do whatever it takes to keep their power.
By the way sweetheart, I'm a communist/socialist libertarian. Not ML. But you tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better. Talk about peak tanky!
The system isn't real. Laws are not real. Money isn't real. Government isn't real.
We may not like them. And I don't. But they are absolutely real. Or else we wouldn't be talking about it right now.
You cannot touch a law, a border, or fiat currency. They are not real.
They can all have you killed and they're very real. Unfortunately. While we need to abolish them pretending they aren't real and don't exist is the height of inanity.
Genocide is genocide.
Harm reduction arguments only work to a point. If genocide is still the outcome, then it isn't really harm reduction.
If we're here now, then the harm reduction arguments worked while the plan didn't.
What does that even mean?
We are now in a scenario where we'll settle for a genocidal monster, because we keep voting for harm reduction. Harm reduction failed in practice; it was never a good idea in the first place.
Your are still trying to shove shit in our mouths and convince us it is a great choice since it comes with a little mustard to cut the taste
I'm not a fan of Joe Biden at all but I'm also not taking issue with my description of him compared to Trump. OP is the one who described him as a normal politician. The only person shoving shit in your mouth is you.