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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Zelenskyy tried to surrender and Boris Johnson stopped him?! Ooooookay… He maaaybe (all “unnamed” sources) expressed an opinion, which the U.K. learnt the hard way, that you cannot negotiate with dictators. There can be no “peace in our time” with dictators hellbent on destruction.

To cast that as “Ukraine was stopped from surrendering” is just obscene … and yet another Kremlin talking point.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (36 children)

which the U.K. learnt the hard way, that you cannot negotiate with dictators. There can be no “peace in our time” with dictators hellbent on destruction.

If the UK is convinced that you can't negotiate with dictators, how does the UK keep entering into arms sales agreements with Saudi Arabia? Do the contracts just appear out of thin air at BAE?

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Russia and Ukraine may have agreed on a tentative deal to end the war in April, according to a recent piece in Foreign Affairs.

“Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement,” wrote Fiona Hill and Angela Stent. “Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.”

The news highlights the impact of former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s efforts to stop negotiations, as journalist Branko Marcetic noted on Twitter. The decision to scuttle the deal coincided with Johnson’s April visit to Kyiv, during which he reportedly urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to break off talks with Russia for two key reasons: Putin cannot be negotiated with, and the West isn’t ready for the war to end.

Foreign Affairs is a Kremlin propaganda outlet now?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Foreign Affairs is certainly propaganda, just not of the Kremlin variety.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol exactly, it's the last place you'd expect to find anything challenging the U.S. narrative.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

Considering there's people in this thread complaining were spreading Russian propaganda by posting a press release FROM UKRAINE I'm starting to think their accusations may not be entirely in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What part of this reads as a "surrender" to you?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not how I'd characterize it personally, but it's what that other person was referring to.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ah, all good then.

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