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Do you think it is realistic that Russia will unilaterally pull out? The war will end when Russia leaves, but Russia isn't going to leave until they are pushed out, negotiations are had, or Ukraine is destroyed. The first possibility is becoming increasingly more unlikely, and the last is something that nobody should want
That leaves negotiations. I think Ukraine should come to the table while they still have some leverage, which is decreasing every week that they throw their men into the meat grinder without meaningful gains.
It doesn’t leave only negotiations. Russia tried for 10+ years in Afghanistan. The US the same, there and in Vietnam. There is such as giving up and going home. That’s the “win” a small state can inflict on a large one. I don’t think that’s where Ukraine and Russia is headed, but there’s a quick for Ukraine and a slow “win” for Ukraine.
Wait, so your ideal is instead of negotiations, in the same vein as Afghanistan, Ukraine experiences this horrible war for another 9 years and then becomes a state ruled by the fighters involved in the war with the most extremist far right ideology rule it as a theocracy? To be clear that ideology in this case is Nazism.
You don't sound like an ally of the Ukrainian people.
Yeah why negotiate now while we still have hundreds of thousands of lives to throw into the meat grinder.
Yes, that's exactly Putin's reasoning. Glad you figured that out.
You're in a thread about Ukraines failed counteroffensive
You do realise that it was Ukraine who refuesed to negotiate and not the other way around? Also, mind reminding me who it is that is performing a failing counteroffensive?
You don't make any sense man. I feel like you're all red in the face when you write these nonsensical replies.
So in your mind there's no situation where ukraine doesn't win this war?
For sure there’s a real risk Ukraine isn’t winning this war. But there’s never been a war where there’s absolute certainty one side will win, until we get to the “downfall” times.
So you think they should just keep sending conscripts to die until the downfall times or until Russia just decides to leave?
You think Russia should keep sending conscripts to die or should they just leave?
They can just keep sending missiles and artillery shells to die, they've got the initiative rn