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Voters spurned Beijing's repeated calls not to vote for Lai, delivering a comfortable victory for a man China's ruling Communist Party sees as a dangerous separatist.

Lai Ching-te of the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) vowed to defend the island from China's "intimidation" and on Sunday the island's foreign ministry told Beijing to accept the result.

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs calls on the Beijing authorities to respect the election results, face reality and give up suppressing Taiwan in order for positive cross-strait interactions to return to the right track," it said in a statement.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Cool, uh, anyway, in Taiwan the President is directly elected by popular vote.

So the majority of Taiwanese voted for a President who opposes greater integration/interference/subservience to, whatever you wanna say, with or to China.

In fact this would seemingly necessarily mean that the only way this could happen along with the DPP not also winning a majority in Parliament is that a good chunk of Taiwanese support the KMT and TPP for domestic affairs, but prefer a president, who has more power and relevance specifically to foreign affairs, that opposes integration/interference/subservience with/from/to China.

But please do go on about my narrative while you are either knowingly or unknowingly misrepresenting the most fundamental basics of the situation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You're right, its a plurality. I misspoke.

Still doesn't change any of the rest of what I said.

Hey at least I can admit and own up to a mistake!

Also worth noting, the TPP candidate, incumbent and now former President Ken Wen-je, is in favor of the status quo with China, in terms of their governmental influence/dominion, meaning continued independent governance when it comes to sovereignty, though this does mean significant economic partnership, in uh, economic terms.

So that's actually roughly 65% of Taiwanese voting for a President that seem to not want Taiwan to become a part of China.

Which would be... a majority.

Damn near a super majority, as us filthy consumeristic and vapid Americans might say.

To actually attempt to venture into the Narrative Construction Zone, one might say that despite one major party in Taiwan with close positions and ties to the Chines Government itself, the momentum seems to be in favor of moving toward /less/ interference from/subservience to/ integration with China, especially where matters of sovereignty are concerned.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Shows how little you understand. KMT wants the status quo, TPP wants to engage China.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And at this point I am sure that when you say that you mean the status quo of Taiwan has always been a part of China.

You are wrong, but keep pushing that narrative!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

See, you don't know and try to force your narrative on others. And if we actual Taiwanese people tell you no, you mansplain it to us. This is why I hate people like you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@Joncash

See, you don't know and try to force your narrative on others. And if we actual Taiwanese people tell you no, you mansplain it to us. This is why I hate people like you.

If there's one here who forces narratives on others than it is you. Your comment shows little respect of others, you even offend them. You obviously do not act here in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have stated nothing but facts. TPP wants to engage China.

https://news.yahoo.com/taiwans-opposition-says-towards-better-052635196.html

KMT wants the status quo.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/from-dove-to-hawk-kmts-transformation-and-the-quest-for-new-guardrails-in-cross-strait-relations/

Instead of refuting facts, the above poster resorted to insults. So yes, I insulted him back.

I expect you too will not refute facts but instead keep insulting me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Engaging with China is a really broad thing to say, from the article that you posted about the TPP:

"Taiwan's relationship with China is based on two principles: Deterrence and communication," said Ko Wen-je from the TPP People's Party in Taipei on Friday.

...

The ruling Communist Party in Beijing counts Taiwan as part of its territory and has already threatened to use military means to force reunification. Ko said China demonstrates this every day, which is why Taiwan has no choice but to move closer to its ally, the US.

You said the TPP is pro-china, like the KMT, but to me it doesn't read like that at all. China wants reunification, the TPP is highly against that and is willing to fight for their freedom.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

KMT isn't pro-China, nor is TPP. Stop putting words in my mouth. I said KMT is pro-status quo and TPP is pro-engagement. Only the DPP wants to completely veer away from China. There also is no evidence that TPP wants to fight for freedom. I have no idea where you are getting that from. They want diplomacy, not war. I don't know why you westerners think of everything in terms of violence. It explains a lot why there's so much violence in the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not putting words in your mouth, that's what you said in your comment:

Only 40% voted for the DPP. 60% voted against the DPP. It's just the 2 more pro-China parties got their vote split.

No evidence the TPP wants to fight to keep their freedom? From the article you linked:

China_ must know that it will have to pay a high price if it invades, said Ko.

And I already posted this from your article but here again:

The ruling Communist Party in Beijing counts Taiwan as part of its territory and has already threatened to use military means to force reunification. Ko said China demonstrates this every day, which is why Taiwan has no choice but to move closer to its ally, the US.

China is the one threatening with an invasion, but it's the fault of the westerners?

Also: why so aggressive? Isn't that a bit too western for you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Oops, I miswrote, I meant pro-engagement with China.

As to you quote, here's a more comprehensive article on Ko.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taiwans-presidential-candidate-ko-wen-je-seeks-a-middle-ground-with-china-attracting-young-voters/ar-AA1mss2T

and here's what he thinks about the possibility of invasion.

“China doesn’t really wish to attack Taiwan

Your quote is just saying the same thing that Xi says all the time. That a military needs to be ready for war.

Taken out of context constantly in western news. All XI and Ko is saying that we don't think there will be war, but if it comes to it we need to be prepared.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

We're really pulling mansplaining out of nowhere when you don't even know their gender? Super weird.