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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

how is it an “occupation” when Hawaiians themselves voted to become a state by a 94+% majority?

On June 27, 1959, a referendum asked residents of Hawaiʻi to vote on the statehood bill; 94.3% voted in favor of statehood and 5.7% opposed it. (source)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The choice was to become a state or remain a territory. Either yes or no would have had Hawaiian peoples occupied. Statehood could be seen as a regaining a scrap of self determination but all it ended up doing was impoverishing the natives and ceding all wealth to colonizing capitalists. This is a primarily function of bourgeois democracy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

by voting to become a state - especially to such an overwhelming majority - you can hardly argue a dispositive attitude towards the US being there or towards joining the union. so, not only have you moved the goalposts, you’re arguing a straw man and your own emotions.

I’m sticking with provable facts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Once again they were given a choice between becoming a state or remaining a territory. Not for independence. It'd be like offering a scrap of bread to a starving man in exchange for the man legitimizing your ability to keep him malnourished.

The ole adage of "the only thing worse than being exploited is not being exploited " comes to mind.

Since you can't be assed to read your own damn wiki article I assume you're just in bad faith.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If voting "yes" on a referendum to be annexed is an accurate way of knowing that the majority of the populace supports annexation, does the same logic apply to Crimea being annexed by Russia? If not, why not?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If voting “yes” on a referendum to be annexed

inventing some history again are you? because this never happened. if you have to stoop this low to try to “score points” how much lower will you stoop?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you don't have an argument and have to make shit up. Cool. Judging by your other responses in the thread, you're a shill trying to astroturf support for the U.S., so Imma block you 💅

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

this never happened

Uhhh https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/16/290525623/crimeans-vote-on-splitting-from-ukraine-to-join-russia

The referendum had widely been expected to pass; Crimea's parliament has already voted to seek annexation by Russia...

Update at 3 p.m. ET: The Polls Are Closed; 93 Percent Approval Cited

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Hawaiian_Kingdom

note the dates. it was forcibly annexed by a coup government. the later vote to join as a state took place well afterwards

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

note the dates. it was forcibly annexed by a coup government

the facts don’t support your assertions. even if they did, it’s irrelevant because….

the later vote to join as a state took place well afterwards

just as I said and the facts I gave support. since 94% of people voted to become a state, no rational person would call it an “occupation”.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lmao you illiterate jackass. a sham vote to join a nation that overthrew your actual government by a bunch of people who moved there specifically to move the needle on that exact vote means nothing. christ, you liberals really love white nationalism as much as the flag fuckers do

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

trolling is when you know more about history than your average liberal white supremacist

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hi guys I'm sorry but this is one of my alts along with @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] and @[email protected]. They're misbehaving and acting like a

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what? didn’t you just comment on the Star Trek sub? what is this?

are you serious? lol

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry everyone. My alt is trying very hard to gaslight everyone into thinking they are not my alt.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

look how hard you’re working

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

still going. gotcha

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Should I kill you with my sword or with my gun?

Sorry, "I want to live" was not an option on the ballot shrug-outta-hecks

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

from your own link

In 1897, over 21,000 Natives, representing the overwhelming majority of adult Hawaiians, signed anti-annexation petitions in one of the first examples of protest against the overthrow of Queen Liliʻuokalaniʻs government.[143] Nearly 100 years later, in 1993, 17,000 Hawaiians marched to demand access and control over Hawaiian trust lands and as part of the modern Hawaiian sovereignty movement.[144] Hawaiian trust land ownership and use is still widely contested as a consequence of annexation. According to scholar Winona LaDuke, as of 2015, 95% of Hawaiʻiʻs land was owned or controlled by just 82 landholders, including over 50% by federal and state governments, as well as the established sugar and pineapple companies.[144] The Thirty Meter Telescope is planned to be built on Hawaiian trust land, but has faced resistance as the project interferes with Kanaka indigeneity.[clarify][145]

If you think a referendum from 1959 fairly represents the interests of the native population then what else is there to say.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Person is in bad faith and worse, smug. Hhit em with a PPB.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

If you think a referendum from 1959 fairly represents the interests of the native population then what else is there to say.

that it does, and you have failed to prove otherwise despite quoting a block f text you clearly don’t understand— OR are intentionally misrepresenting, hoping everyone else here is too stupid to realize you’re trying to pull a fast one on them.

Fortunately, I’m not the idiot you think I am.