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KDE's Nate Graham On X11 Being A Bad Platform & The Wayland Future (www.phoronix.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of "Wayland breaking everything" isn't really accurate.

"In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Nvidia on Wayland moment

Gaming on wayland moment

Battery/Usage on wayland moment

KDE devs making gestures only available on wayland because memes (there is literally a 3rd party github script to achieve the same thing on X11)

X11 being reliable because Xorg devs aren't stupid

My real issue with Wayland is that it took like 15 years to become acceptably usable. I'll switch once XFCE moves over in several years, but until then, there is no incentive for worse performance and non exitestent support.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

X11 being reliable because Xorg devs aren't stupid

Not gonna disagree with the rest of what you said, but the Xorg devs and Wayland devs are mostly the same people

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

They've been working on the same software for 20+ years?

Woah.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

X11 being reliable because Xorg devs aren't stupid

xorg devs are wayland devs. nowadays, most of the people that used to work on xorg now work on wayland. they're not stupid, they realised that x11 is too dated for modern systems (see asahi linux) and now are working on a replacement

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

It's not about reliability though, X11 is hard to maintain and the devs themselves feel burned out. Wayland at least offloads some of that burden to the desktops