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First job in mid to large tech?
You’ve got to fight against the meetings, or they’ll eat up 3-4 of your working days. Not enough people just say no.
That doesn’t seem so bad. There are 8 hours in a work day, if you’re getting 6 hours of work done that’s good. And the 12% probably constitutes managers and “staff”/senior plus employees who work on tech designs and organizing work.
This is really common outside of tech too. You get this on governments, you get it in enterprises, one a company reaches 1000 employees this kind of thing is really really common. In tech itamifesrs as shipping cool sounding shit that nobody asked for with horrible quality.
In my experience not having a manager is fun, but worse. Of you want a promotion that’s entirely a function of selling yourself, whereas a manager can fight for you. And managers not knowing what you’re working on always results in average performance reviews regardless of your quality. 6-12 employees per manager is fine. After having been a manager, if you have too many employees you’re just doing HR’s job anyways. And why is the service sector a good comparable? A fry cook doesn’t do different tasks, they’re either incompetent, or fine.
Every manager should have to demonstrate that what their team is doing is good for the business, always. That’s their job. That some people at the top can’t distinguish expanding headcount from delivering value is the problem. Often times that’s due to shitty execs who are only hired for corporate nepotism or just never having the consequences of their own incompetence.
I worked for a few years as a contractor going around to demonstrate when a project is doomed to fail or not, and it happens a lot where I’d tell management they won’t see a return on their investment of their own org but they do nothing because that’s bad for them. They never accept it even when the numbers are clear because they’re paid not to. One org had a team of 20+ premium paid engineers working on a product generating $30 a day with nothing to indicate it would pick up. Their core users didn’t like it, it didn’t attract new users, but you always get that “numbers can’t explain all value” response (then why did they hire me? Because good numbers demonstrate business value, the bad ones aren’t relevant, but I digress…). You need good management to say no to shit work.
While whistleblowing takes privileges, it’s not that tech workers are so spoiled they do it all the time.
Yeah I read this part and immediately felt like this employee is brainwashed.
For the people who don't get it: "8 hours of work DOES NOT MEAN 8 hours of labor." Bathroom breaks. Mental breaks. Getting coffee. Eating lunch. Chit chatting.
A lot of people gotta stop thinking the "If you got time to lean, you got time to clean" mentality.
Yeah that drives me nuts.
People went from 9-5 to talking about 9-6, because that's 8 hours of work and then breaks, but breaks were always a part of it. Factory shift workers doing 8 hours had time for a sandwich.
Interesting. Breaks are very commonly unpaid in my country. So an 8 hour work day means being in the office for 8.5 hours.
It's not uncommon in the US for labor jobs, and it's bullshit.