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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

China's EV revolution showcases the power that state actors have when an industry is a matter of national security.

China has marginal domestic O&G reserves, so moving off of O&G is incredibly important for Chinese interests.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And since the oil and gas companies in China are nationalized, they will follow along with the government's plans rather than obstruct or bribe their way as with for-profit private oil and gas companies in many western countries.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Woah hold the phone, you're telling me there's a way to build society OTHER than by explicitly rewarding greed and exploitation‽

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is a similar story in Saudi Arabia and many Arab countries. The oil and gas is nationally owned, and the revenues are being used to finance a massive welfare state as well as the transition away from fossil fuels.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think saudi Arabia moving away from fossil fuels isnt really true considering their (ODSP) is a plan to hook the 3rd world on said fossil fuels.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Developing countries need cheap energy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But if we were really serious about sustainability, wouldnt it be better to not get more of the world hooked and fossil fuels in that way.

Which is not me saying everyone should be driving EVs, because fuck cars.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Oil isn't just used for cars. A lot of countries use diesel trains on routes where electrification isn't feasible for various reasons. Here's a modern diesel train https://youtu.be/tFoljwX6o90

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, solar and wind? Both cheaper than fossil fuels at this point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Then no one will buy the oil Saudi Arabia is selling if that's true

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They also don’t seem to have many standards either. Specs and reviews I’ve seen seem to jump generations within a few months. I think my favorite ridiculous spec was the ability to use two fast chargers (one on either side of the car since it has two plugs) to pump some 300 miles in 5-10 minutes. It’s wild to read about the stuff they’re doing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there any safety reason to not be able to have two plugs? I could see that being something we could do to renovate western gas stations for EVs in order to facilitate the transition. Just have two plugs side by side so Jim-bob could get his 300 miles in 10 minutes with electric just lol he does with his diesel now

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Definitely heat, and a design to handle it. Ford has an issue with some Mach-E’s that the power junction would weld itself shut if you used the DC fast charger and floored the car shortly after. Once that happened it bricks the car and you gotta replace the part.