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cross-posted from: https://europe.pub/post/7501

What European email services do you use?

Please recommend other interesting email services by your experience.

I have switched from Google's Gmail to ProtonMail and kMail. I really like both, kMail (by Infomaniak) have very similar app interface to Gmail so you will get used to it very fast and also have big storage for free and very good offers for paid plans ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Originally posted on Reddit

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I'm a very avid YouTube user, I've payed for Premium for the last couple of years but am becoming less and less comfortable with it.

YouTube is actually the last Google-service (besides Android, but there are plans to ditch Google there using something like /e/OS) I'm left using after switching to Proton Mail (instead of GMail), Here WeGo (instead Maps), TransIP Stack (instead of Drive) and a self-hosted Memos (instead of Keep).

I tend to watch YouTube on my TV by setting up a queue of videos on my phone and then casting them to my TV. This is all ad-free because of my Premium subscription, but of course everything is tracked.

Is there a way for me to watch YouTube, preferrable on my TV with my phone as remote control, without having a Google-account? I found NewPipe on FDroid, but that sadly does not provide casting (I managed to get it partially working by using VLC, but no queue and no sound whatever I tried)

There are also things like Inoreader that people use, but I believe that does not have queueing and casting as well, so it would not really work in my situation.

Sidenote: I like the idea of creators receiving at least a bit of the payments I make as a reward for the content they post, but I reckon that with something like NewPipe/Piped an ad-blocker in place those would be lost.

Anyone got some ingenious solutions working?

Edit: my TV currently is an Android TV, but that may be up for change sometime later this year, so any external solution like a stick or RPi or something would also be up for consideration.

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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/27037278

Threatened by potential EU regulatory changes, the movie, music, and sports industries are vehemently defending the practice of geo-blocking, as an essential part of their business models. Rightsholders argue that eliminating geo-blockades would devalue content, force price hikes for consumers in some countries, and ultimately reduce investment in content and localized services.

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While I find the wiki-style site for European alternatives ( https://www.goeuropean.org/ ) very helpful and have started using it fairly regularly, I feel like it misses an option to just look up a brand or company and easily find out where it's from. Maybe that is already an option and I haven't found it. If so, please point me in that direction.

If not, what I would hope for, is a quick and simple place to check if a given brand or company is perhaps American owned (or more generally where it's profit ultimately goes). For example, I seriously doubt my mother in law would be able to know that Toblerone is an American owned brand. The current wiki pre-supposes that users already know this.

The average EU citizen is in his mid 40s and likely not all that tech savvy. Purchasing power skews towards older folks anyway, so it should be a goal to get this demographic on board. Does anyone have a starting off point where one can easily find the information on a specific company or brand on the go? Could something like this be added to the current site ( https://www.goeuropean.org/ )?

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Macron, who has been calling for years to direct defense spending toward EU products, said he wants to convince other European countries that are currently โ€œbuying Americanโ€ to shift to local options.

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I've come to the realisation that boycotting google, completely, is impossible. It works fine on the computer and for some apps on the phone, but it's very difficult for a smart TV

The problem starts at the very beginning. To even start using the tv, I must have a Gmail to log in. I have to have a Gmail/log in to Google to use the Google Store.. Google Store? Yes! Because it's not possible (for me at least) to install f-droid or aurora store. I'm aware of the fact that I can't do everything... But it irks me. Does anybody have any tips for how to get around this? Currently I'm considering getting a hdmi cable and use the tv as a computer monitor... But then we're in the territory of having to buy a lot of new things to boycott. Wich, of course, is also not the best solution.

However, I'll add to this that this irks me. But it's not as big of a problem as buying Russian and American oil and gas.

Quote and picture is from batman begins. I recommend giving it a watch

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A recent thread about lemmy.world revealed that nobody knows where the servers are but that CloudFare, a US service is used. After going down a bit of rabbit hole (and not really understanding everything), this question popped up in my head.

It seems like all traffic to cloudfare is first send to the US, which seems dangerous...

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I've seen Fedora being widely recommended among the Linux distros. Sadly, there are many problems that come with Fedora. A lot of this information might be a bit hard to find so I wanted to put everything I found in one place.

  1. Fedora is (kind of) owned by Red Hat (IBM).

Red Hat sponsors Fedora. They own and pay for the infrastructure used for all the Fedora-related things. They own the Fedora trademark and logo. Big decisions are made by the FESCo. While the committee itself is elected by Fedora community, they're pretty much just exclusively Red Hat employees (for F41 elections all 5 of elected candidates work at Red Hat). I'm not going to talk about what-ifs much here, but if there would ever be a divide between what RH wants and what community wants, you can see it being an issue.

  1. US laws and Fedora

Fedora has to follow the US law. In practice, we have seen what that means a while ago, when they had to remove support from some multimedia codecs due to the US patent laws. Since then, basic functionalities like video playback in a web browser/video player have been broken, so for example you can't play Twitch videos "by default" in Fedora, since the codecs are missing (youtube works as they use av1). To circumvent it, you either have to use third party repos or flatpak.

  1. Fedora Export Control Policy and it's consequences

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/export/ Yet another US law that Fedora has to adhere to. Basically, if you live in a country that the USA treats as an enemy, you should not use Fedora. This is yet another one that was actually applied in real life and resulted in basically kicking out a longtime contributor because he had the misfortune of being born in the wrong country. You can read all about in on that person's blogpost:

https://ahmadhaghighi.com/blog/2021/us-restricted-free-software/

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Previously I asked on the fedi who would like to start a co-op supporting free software and EU based services. I am very excited that so many of you are willing to work with me on this project ๐Ÿ˜Š Below I want to share some thoughts about the next steps.

  1. Starting tomorrow (i.e. Monday) I will try to privately reach out to everyone who expressed initial interest in working with me. I will send you and invitation to schedule a 25 minutes long, one on one video call with me.

  2. If you accept I am going to ask you the following questions. I will also be happy to answer any relevant questions from you, but I will be strict with time. My questions are:

    • Where are you based geographically?
    • What's your availability? How many hours of work can you dedicate to the co-op every week?
    • What's your work experience? What relevant skills are you bringing?
    • What do you expect from this co-op? Why do you want to join it?
    • How do you feel and what do you think about my manifesto?
    • Is there anything else you would like me to ask you?
  3. After talking with you I will invite selected founding members to Tad Lispy Social Club. It's a private forum where I am the host. It will serve as an incubator where we can privately organize our work until we establish a dedicated platform. I will try to be generous with invitations, and extend a credit of trust to everyone, but I won't invite people who don't seem like a good match. As a host I also reserve the privilege to moderate discussions and exclude members who will breach our trust. This is so we can all enjoy constructive cooperation.

  4. Once enough people are in, we will organize some group video calls so we can get to know each other. This is essential for community building, but important decisions should be discussed and communicated in writing for reasons of accessibility and transparency. That's what the forum is for.

  5. Once we establish mutual trust and organize ourselves, I will relinquish any special authority. We will make decision collectively or delegate authority to elected bodies. It will most likely require establishing a new, collectively controlled platform. Until then you will have to trust me, just like I will trust you, to act with integrity.

This is the plan and plans rarely survive a contact with reality, but it will serve as a guidance to me. Please share any constructive comments ๐Ÿซถ

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Linux or Windows. (www.climatedepot.com)
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Does anybody know if when using Windows on a computer but not paying for anything windows related: is windows/ Bill Gates profiting from it? Is it worth installing linux as a protest?

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Red Bull - European but Far right

Buy European but ... Also with ethical considerations.

Red Bull might sound cool, but they have their own TV station in Austria. (servus TV) And that station js beyond far right. Spreading disinformation, and Russian propaganda, Corona Bullshi, Ivermectint, cleaning stuff with chlorid, climate change deniers, ... If there is a conspiracy they support it ...

(And it's also not very healthy,....)

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I know lemm.ee is hosted in the EU, but I can't find that information for lemmy.world.

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Hello, I'm looking for a USB memory stick that is European. Anybody got any tips?

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One of the biggest turntable manufacturers in the world. All their products are made in Europe.

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I'm looking for a silent keyboard for gaming, preferably with a UK layout.

This keyboard caught my eye but is made in China: https://varmilo.com/products/minilo75

Wondering if anyone has recommendations for companies that make keyboards?

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I've been using their app for some time now and really like the concept: Basically it allows restaurants, bakeries, supermarkets etc to announce when they have stuff leftover that they'd usually throw away at the end of the day. You can browse those nearby shops in the app and reserve a "surprise bag" for a small amount, usually around a third of the regular price, but it varies. In the pickup timeframe (usally around 30-60min before their closing time) you go there, show that you've reserved the bag in your app, confirm that you've received it and happily walk home with a ton of surprise food for super cheap.

After using it for a while I can especially recommend looking for food stalls at farmers markets as they often have lots of stuff leftover that they don't want to take back home when packing up so they're often super generous. Bakeries are also great, I regularly get a week's supply of bread, buns, pastries and cake for like 3-5โ‚ฌ.

EDIT: While it's made in Denmark the app works globally or at least all of EuropeAFAIK, definitely works fine with lots of participating shops in Germany.

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I don't really know any :(

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Public Money, Public Code - A campaign for releasing publicly financed software as Free Software.

Becoming more and more important now that we know the US has a kill-switch for military equipment like F-35s which they sold to EU countries.

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https://veklar.com/

First time I see this, not sure what they mean

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The translated article (author: Daan van Lent):

Import Tariffs No Tesla? No Heinz tomato ketchup? Swear off the iPhone? How far must a consumer go to lead a Buy European life and avoid American products and services?

The realization came when a Jeep Patriot with a Dutch license plate recently passed me on the highway and started driving right in front of me. Would I ever want to own that car? In this era of Trump's isolationist policies, would I want to drive around in an American car with 'Patriot' written on it?

As traffic sped along, my thoughts raced. What about other American products? Are they important to me? Could I do without them? If Americans are willing to sacrifice good relations for MAGA (Make America Great Again), could I contribute to MEGA (Make Europe Great Again)?

One conclusion I could already draw: I would never want such an American car. Too bad for Donald Trump, who has repeatedly complained that Europeans don't buy American cars, while Americans drive plenty of Mercedes, BMWs, Porsches, Audis, and other European cars. According to the president, the European import tariffs of 10 percent on American automobiles contribute to this lower demand. On European โ€” mainly German โ€” cars, the Americans impose only 2.5 percent. Therefore, Trump is threatening higher tariffs for European cars. The fact that American gas guzzlers are not attractive in Europe, where gas prices are much higher than in the US, apparently doesn't occur to him.

In recent years, Tesla has proven that Europeans are willing to drive an American car if it meets their consumer demands. Call it market dynamics. Tesla dominated the electric car market, mainly due to lagging competition. Even in the Netherlands, Tesla grew into one of the largest brands, with over 30,000 cars sold in 2024. The Tesla Model Y was the most popular car, with over 19,000 sales.

However, Tesla's sales plummeted in the first two months of this year, dropping by about 45 percent in Europe and nearly 24 percent in the Netherlands. It seems almost certain that the political activities of CEO Elon Musk in support of Trump have significantly influenced this decline. The Volkswagen ID4 surpassed Tesla as the best-selling electric car in Europe, and the Kia EV3 did the same in the Netherlands. With this, European consumers are giving a first indication of a Buy European trend. In addition to governments imposing tariffs on American products, this could be a strong signal.

Canadians can serve as an example, having launched a Buy Canadian campaign. According to polls, this campaign has broad support, with about 80 percent of consumers backing it. Purchases of Canadian products increased by 10 percent last month, at the expense of American products. The power of 450 million Europeans is significantly greater than that of the 37 million Canadians.

Now that the EU has imposed retaliatory tariffs this week in response to American import tariffs on aluminum and steel, I decided to conduct an experiment. So that I am prepared when the American president, as expected, delivers his next blow on April 2. Trump has already hinted at new tariffs on European cars, medicines, and food products. What challenges will I face as a consumer if I decide to adopt a Buy European mindset?

What is Buy European? Before I impulsively enter a store, I ask myself a few more questions. What do I aim to achieve with Buy European? Is it about buying exclusively 'European,' or mainly about 'not buying American'? And thus: do I want to support businesses and farmers of European origin? Or is the goal primarily to boycott American businesses and farmers with a consumer boycott?

The answer to that question determines whether products from other non-European countries can still end up in the shopping cart or on the order list. If not, it excludes Asian, Latin American, or African products and services. But I wouldn't want to disadvantage workers and farmers in emerging markets โ€” provided they are treated fairly, with decent wages and good working conditions.

The only website I can find with a call to consumers to buy European products has named itself Go European and chooses to exclude all products from American companies, without considering where they are produced. The initiators are also behind an active group on (the American) social media platform Reddit, calling for American products to be turned upside down in supermarket shelves.

Here, I encounter a problem. There are also products with an American signature that are manufactured in Europe. Take Tesla, for example. Some of the models sold in Europe come from a factory near Berlin. Parts of such a car come from all over the world, probably including the US. How American is that Berlin-made Tesla?

But boycotting Tesla sales does send a message. Just like turning American brands upside down in the supermarket โ€” and those might well come from a European factory.

Bananas and Soy In Canada, the consumer boycott is most visible in supermarkets and liquor stores. Shelves where American products were displayed remain empty. Canadian product manufacturers are putting a maple leaf on their labels. A Danish supermarket chain has announced it will put a star on the label of products made in Europe. But that doesn't help me much.

As I enter the supermarket, I try to consider which departments I need to be alert in. The produce section, which you usually encounter first in most supermarkets? Besides cars, Donald Trump also constantly complains that Europeans don't buy products from American farmers. Whether American farmers notice if we deliberately stop buying their products is questionable.

On the labels indicating the origin of fruits and vegetables at Albert Heijn and Jumbo, I mainly see European countries, sometimes African and Latin American. The US is not listed. Yet, the Netherlands imports โ‚ฌ433 million worth of fruits and vegetables from the US, according to preliminary figures for 2024 from the statistics bureau CBS. But I can't figure out what it involves. It could be oranges from Florida, I discover after some digging. But I don't find those fruits in the stores.

In the fruit section, I also curiously look at the bananas from Chiquita and Dole. Those brands are American companies. Their bananas are grown in Latin American countries. Alternatives are available, such as fair-trade bananas from Africa, Central, and South America.

Relatively little meat from the US is found in Dutch supermarkets and butcher shops. According to CBS import figures, it amounts to โ‚ฌ119 million. The EU restricts meat imports from the US for a reason. Americans administer far more hormones to their livestock than we in Europe consider desirable. American farmers wash their chickens in chlorine to combat bacterial contamination.

European authorities want to protect the health of European consumers and have long imposed restrictions on the import of hormone-treated meat and chlorine-washed chickens. Americans view these obstacles more as protectionist. The same applies to import restrictions on genetically modified crops, such as soybeans and corn.

Yet, soy remains a significant import category. But on the labels of soy products like tofu, I don't see where the soybeans come from. In Europe, a lot of American soy seems to end up in animal feed, I read on the American news site Politico.

That article provides another explanation for the lack of products from American farmers in European supermarkets. American farms are, on average, ten times larger than European ones and focus mainly on efficiently producing large quantities of meat, blocks of cheese, and silos full of grains, according to Politico. Delicacies like luxury cheeses, special salamis, or refined olive oil with regional designations, which European farmers produce, are hardly made by Americans.

The American trade deficit in agricultural products with Europe, amounting to $18 billion, has little to do with a difference in tariff levels, as there is hardly any. The EU exports expensive, luxury agricultural products to the US, while the US sends bulk products like soybeans, corn, and nuts to Europe.

I can trace those nuts with some effort. Strangely, the origin is indicated on unroasted nuts, but not on the labels of roasted or toasted nuts at Albert Heijn and Jumbo. The unroasted pecans at AH come from 'North America,' without specifying a country. The label on the walnuts is more specific: the US. The alternative is to grab organic walnuts from another shelf. Those come โ€” and I have to sniff around a bit for that โ€” from Ukraine.

Tomato Ketchup and Cola As I venture further into the aisles, I encounter the complex question of whether I should remove all products from large American food multinationals like Mondelez, Kraft Heinz, PepsiCo, and Mars from my shopping list. For example, all Mars chocolate from the Mars factory in Veghel. Or all flakes, sprinkles, and sandwich toppings from an ostensibly Dutch brand like De Ruyter. That is owned by Kraft Heinz. Or the peanuts from Duyvis, which come from Zaandam. The brand and factory are owned by PepsiCo.

And then there's Heinz tomato ketchup; can it get more American? But that ketchup has been coming from a factory in the Dutch town of Elst since 1958. Where the tomatoes for it come from, I don't know. The website states that Heinz uses tomatoes grown in Spain, Portugal, and California. Are tomatoes from that American state shipped to Elst? No idea.

I search for more American products in the supermarket. For example, mayonnaise from Hellmannโ€™s. The owner is Unilever, which is British-Dutch. But the brand is American. I find no information about the production location on the label, and the website mainly shows descriptions of American factories. A follow-up with Unilever's press department informs me that all Unilever products in Dutch supermarkets are produced in Europe.

The Netherlands imports โ‚ฌ313 million worth of 'prepared foods' from the US, thanks to the CBS. But I can't figure out which ones they are in the supermarket. Even the typically American Oreo cookie comes from a factory in Spain.

And then there are the American icons Coca-Cola and Pepsi. Coke and other soft drinks from the Coca-Cola Company in the Netherlands come 80 percent from a bottling plant in Dongen. Pepsi, like 7Up from the same owner, PepsiCo, is bottled by the Dutch soft drink producer Vrumona, which has been owned by the Danish Unibrew for two years.

The situation is no different with the 'King of Beers.' For about six years, Bud has been strongly promoted as a brand in the Dutch market. The light American beer is from the American-Brazilian-Belgian brewery conglomerate Anheuser-Busch InBev, which also counts Hertog Jan from Arcen among its brands. Bud for the European market is brewed in Leuven, in the same brewery as Jupiler.

So, what criterion do I apply here? Not buying a typically American brand? That would send a strong signal. But is it fair? Shouldn't I boycott all brands from an American multinational? The flakes from De Ruyter just as much as Heinz tomato ketchup from the same conglomerate? Or can I buy them because both end products are produced in Europe and support jobs and incomes here?

With wine and spirits, it's simpler. I can support the tariffs that the EU imposed this week on whiskey and American wines. So, the glass of Jack Daniels that I occasionally drink with a colleague at the local pub can be swapped for a Scottish malt. And for the chardonnay and zinfandel from California, where I once visited vineyards, there are more than enough alternatives from around the world. Without being significantly more expensive.

Flying and Gasoline Should I adjust my travel behavior? I'm postponing a trip to the US for now, even though I have family there. Luckily, my nephew's wedding was last summer.

There are plenty of vacation destinations. Canadians, who don't have other neighboring countries they can travel to without flying, indicate in polls that they will stay in their own country more this year.

There are other questions. If I don't let my flight shame speak, how should I arrange my flight? American airlines are not an option. But should I also consider which aircraft will operate my intended flight? There's a good chance you'll have to choose between a European Airbus or an American Boeing. I can see this before booking by clicking on the flight details.

Traveling by public transport through Europe seems to pose no dilemmas. Train equipment does not come from the US, nor do buses.

But then there's road traffic. With my combustion engine car, I can drive past Esso and Texaco gas stations, subsidiaries of the American oil giants Exxon and Chevron. Filling up at Shell or BP seems safer. But do I know where the crude oil for their gasoline is extracted? Both British oil companies have drilling platforms in the Gulf of Mexico โ€” or, as Trump would say, the Gulf of America. And I have no idea where the crude oil for the gasoline at Avia, Argos, or Tinq gas stations comes from. A boycott of crude oil and oil products can have a real impact: they form the largest category in total Dutch imports (nearly โ‚ฌ70 billion) from the US.

In addition to oil, there is also โ‚ฌ5.2 billion in imports of natural gas and industrial gases. Trump has already pressured Europe to import much more LNG from the US โ€” to which the EU has responded positively. I don't know where the gas we burn in our heating boiler comes from. Is there also processed LNG from the US in it, and could I exclude it if I wanted to? Here, I'm left with a question.

AI and Clouds The biggest pain point lies in my digital behavior. I have decided to install only one AI app on my phone, and that is Le Chat from Mistral. I'll slide aside that the American Microsoft has made a significant investment in this young French technology company. ChatGPT gets no prompts from me.

And about that smartphone: I have only just replaced my old iPhone this year with, well, a new iPhone. I justify that with the knowledge that it is largely manufactured in Asia, as long as Apple doesn't relocate production. Almost all consumer electronics from American or European brands come from Asia, I think conveniently.

Listening to music via the European Spotify can continue as usual. I can listen a bit more often to Britpop than to Americana. For American streaming services, I would have to look for European alternatives. And then you could watch more European and British films and series and ignore Hollywood violence.

But that's where it stops, due to American dominance in the online realm. I have already switched from X to BlueSky and from WhatsApp to Signal for ethical and privacy reasons, but I'm still connected to American companies. I want to avoid Facebook, Instagram, and Reddit, also for my mental health.

There are no real European alternatives if I want to 'meet' people. I am active on LinkedIn for journalistic reasons. I reassure myself that founder Reid Hoffman was a major donor to the Democrats and hasn't changed his stance. But it remains an American platform.

The same applies to the games my son plays at home and his communication with friends. Platforms like Steam and Discord, or developers like Riot Games or Epic: all American.

And then there are the clouds where all my data is stored because I saved it there. Whether it's the NRC environments for all my work or my personal data. I already know from colleague Marloes de Koning's research that there are hardly any European alternatives, at most in early development.

Pension Thus, my search for where I can choose European products over American ones turns into a search for which goods and services produced in the US actually enter my household. I also think briefly about my wardrobe. I haven't bought American brands like Levi's or Calvin Klein in years, so I don't need to check where their factories are. In our house, Adidas is the favorite sneaker brand, and Nike hardly comes in. And even in this case, I think: aren't all those sneakers manufactured in Asian countries like Vietnam?

Little truly American remains in daily life. Except for that one dominant area in our lives where dependence seems impossible to cut: our online life. It's a sobering realization.

After the publication of a statistical report by De Nederlandsche Bank this week, it also dawns on me that I could be acting against my own financial interests if I, along with other European consumers, boycott American companies. At the end of 2024, the invested capital of pension funds in European listed companies amounted to โ‚ฌ97 billion. Three times as much Dutch pension money was invested in shares of American companies (โ‚ฌ293 billion). The capital market in the US is larger, the returns are higher, and as a participant in the pension fund, I benefit from that.

If those American companies perform worse due to a European consumer boycott, I would also be harming myself. Their stock prices would fall, and so would my pension assets. In that way, my future might still be too closely tied to the US.

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Call to Action: What do you think and do? In the coming period, we will investigate how consumers respond to the escalating political and economic tensions between the EU and the US. Are consumers adjusting their behavior? Therefore, we are curious to know how NRC readers view calls to buy more European and less American. Have you already thought about this? Has your purchasing behavior already changed, or are you considering doing so? And do you encounter the same or different dilemmas than the issues described in this article? I would love to hear your insights via [email protected]. Your response may be used in further publications.

This article was published on March 15, 2025, in the NRC: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2025/03/14/koop-europese-waar-kan-ik-dat-en-wil-ik-dat-wel-echt-a4886412.

The article was translated by Le Chat (Mistral).

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