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hah, this one is funny!
Also, echoing @[email protected]'s comment below (unfortunately you can't sticky comments on lemmy): comments that express hate towards any group are a violation of instance guidelines. BE NICE.
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This happens when transphobes forgets that trans men exists lol.
I'd love to ~~watch~~ forcefeed them a plate of their, "you will always be a woman" words.
They exist? Thought they were a fairytale
I know three.
In fact, come to think of it, I only know two trans women, so I know more trans men than trans women.
Mod here. Just want to openly and unequivocally state... I will remove your comment if you're transphobic. I will refer to trans people to let me know if you are being transphobic. I will ban you if you make an egregiously off colour comment. and I will take pleasure in doing this. Fuck your transphobic bullshit, go somewhere else. Nobody wants you here.
Cis guy here. Based mod.
Thanks for everything you do to keep this community safe. I know it can't be easy.
idk, I just got to yeet like at least a handful of transphobes into oblivion so.... was pretty fun.
It's important to find work that also nourishes your soul.
God bless it I fucking love lemmy! 😄
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Thank you so much!
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You are amazing, brave people and deserve a place in society where you are loved . M
Bruh, just do your job/hobby. Mods acting high and mighty is a big part of what made reddit so toxic.
The good thing about Lemmy you can move to another instance with free speech.
This is free speech. They get to say what they please. They are not free from the consequences of those words however. I, as a private citizen and not a governmental actor, can censor them.
I disagree, free speech means the right to express any opinions and ideas without censorship or restraint even if you find them offensive.
You said you will remove any comment that is transphobic and ban if "you make an egregiously off colour comment".
That is not free speech, and it's ok. Your instance, your rules.
Free speech is about the government not being able to restrict your speech. Guess what? Lemmy isn't the government.
They can say what they want without restraint or restriction. They are not free from the consequences of their words.
They can say what they like. We can ban them if we don't like it. That's how free speech works in a consequentialist society (modern Western society is a synthesis of consequentialism and contractualism).
That's literally not free speech. If I say I like to eat broccoli every day and that people should try it for health reasons and you're some kind of carnivore mod and it tickles you the wrong way and you block me for it... That's censorship and the opposite of free speech.
You're telling me that you control the narrative. Now there's nuance to censorship for sure, but you're telling me that if you don't like what I say I'm out. I have to type within the confines of the bubble of what isn't too uncomfortable for you.
I say let the downvotes do the talking. If I go on the electric vehicles instance talking about how (non-ironocally) I love to roll coal and how that's what's keeping me from trying EVs, I expect to be downvoted into the shadow realm. And that's ok. What I'm not ok with is a mod assuming that my voice sucks and that I don't deserve to be heard. Maybe some smart lemmier(?) will point out some doodad that makes a brrr noise and shoots out some harmless mist or something.
Where and when in the history of ever has there been consequence-free speech? How is this definition at all useful to you? People have always had the ability to define our own social spaces with rules of conduct, why is this any different just because the social space is online?
You have the right to be an asshole. Mods have the right to ban you for being an asshole.
Making out that they're nasty for having some standards of behaviour in their area is calling good bad and bad good.
(Censorship is when local or national government put you in prison for protesting or ban your book or ban your ideas. That's when your free speech rights are being infringed.)
Censor and banning opinions and ideas you don't like is anti free speech.
You were allowed to say it. I'm allowed to remove it. Welcome to the world. Don't like it? Leave.
But also: nobody in the world actually likes the idea of absolutist free speech. The founding fathers certainly didn't believe in such an idea.
Friend, I appreciate your mod efforts, and I support 100% what you're doing here.
Having said that, I think there is a misalignment in terms of free speech definitions.
What I think you're saying is that people are free to express themselves, and the government (in the U.S., Italy, Argentina, wherever) will not censor you for that. However, a consequence of that is that you can ban them. Fair enough.
But people are not referring to the free speech in the country, region or whether. They're specifically referring to the exercising of free speech in the community you are moderating. You're saying that "there is free speech here," then it follows that transphobic comments should be allowed (something I wouldn't like because fuck transphobes.) But since you remove comments that don't align with the community, then the community doesn't have free speech - and that's okay. I'm just referring to the contradiction: "you're allowed to say what you want, but I will ban you if you say this or that" - welp, that just means that "this or that" is not allowed.
I think that's what the other commenters are saying. They're not criticizing you for removing comments. They're calling out that removing comments (as a consequence of speech) and claiming that there is free speech, well no, technically it isn't.
Censorship and restraint from the government. This isn't that, so the consequences are not covered.
This is my job: to make perfectly clear what is and isn't allowed. In no uncertain terms I will make sure this place is as free from transphobia as possible.
I mean... it's supposed to be a 'beauty contest' so why shouldn't they compete?
Not that I don't think the entire concept of a competition over beauty is stupid, but they exist, so why not just see who wins?
It's funny because the original trans sports bans were justified by saying that they would have an unfair advantage. This beauty pageant ban is just transphobes saying that trans women are unfairly attractive lmfao.
I think it would have been fair to have a rule saying "no surgical modifications"... because doing things like facelift, nose-job, breast/buttox implants, cheek lifts, wrinkle removal, etc, are obviously unfair advantages (in a beauty contest) for those who have the money pay for it; and having a generic blanket rule like that would have accomplished the same thing they were trying to accomplish without being so blatantly transphobic... so a rule like what they have only proves that they are both despicable AND dumb. The entire notion of beauty pageants is outdated and stupid if you ask me.
On the one hand, that might work. On the other hand, who gives a fuck about the rules in a contest with arbitrary standards?
I think it would have been fair to have a rule saying “no surgical modifications”…
How are you intending to prove that that? Only the bad surgery makes itself obvious.
Like any kind of contest, finding rules violations is hard and not foolproof. It's like sports that forbid using steroids - competitors do regularly take those substances while training, then quit taking them for competition and go uncaught. Competitors who are discovered later to have been violating rules are stripped of titles.
That said, I don't think it's a very controversial concept that a beauty pageant shouldn't be a contest about who could afford the best surgeons. Well - as I said earlier I think beauty pageants are absurd to begin with, but if they have to exist I don't think it should be a contest between surgeons.
Though I would watch one that was a contest between surgeons. I imagine it'd start pretty tame, but the first time a girl with cat ears wins, were only like 5 years from the really crazy shit
This would be hilarious if it happened.
They are absurd and it'll probably be a good thing when we've got past their existence. But the problem here is that proving surgery is essentially impossible. It's quite unlike drugs that you can test for. Maybe implants you could test for but that's just one thing, and I'm not sure that beauty pageants even have the kind of budget required for advanced tests.
One of the contest’s rules says you can’t participate if you willingly had a nude photo took in your lifetime. Good luck proving that (not even considering how it’s a honeypot for revenge porn to surface)
Lol, you implement that and basically all beauty pageants stop existing. Which would be a good thing, mind you. But I've never met a pageant contestant in my life that isn't … let's say … heavily enhanced by medical procedures.
I'd be more interested in protesting the fact that it's now legal to grope women in Italy.
The landmark decision involved a school janitor who jammed his hand into a 17 year old girl's panties.
Pick the hill you want to die on.
"Why do this one good thing when you should be doing another good thing instead?"
Elia Bonci, who also spoke to la Repubblica, said: “I took courage, used my deadname and signed up for Miss Italy because fighting transphobia is intersectional and even though I’m not a trans woman, I’ve decided to fight for their rights.”
much respect to all that followed!
I'm confused. If they are using a dead name how are they not trans?
They are trans men, who the organizers consider women as opposed to the trans women who can't compete because they consider them men.
I'm gonna need a pen and paper for this one.
I'll summarize:
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The contest organizers don't accept trans women (AKA assigned male at birth, transitioned to female)
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This means that they are being transphobic, they aren't treating trans women as women.
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The person in the article is the opposite, assigned female at birth and transitioned to male. AKA a trans man.
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This person is considered a woman by the beauty contest despite identifying as male.
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He entered the beauty contest as a form of protest and to bring attention to the blatant transphobia.
This is a pretty awesome way to protest and show solidarity. These trans men are ballsy as fuck and I salute them.
What is protest part? Not sure it is malicious compliance either because contestant was not rebirthed as woman. Not that it's possible unless you are buddhist.
Ok sure. But it's not really an effective protest as they're fulfilling the requirement to enter the competition. Because the competition is steered by judges they will simply eliminate the trans men in the first round.
The rule is there to make sure the judges are not sexually aroused when they see a trans woman.
A greater means of protest would be if the non-trans competitors all quit the pageant. But their look is their only talent, so they won't.