this post was submitted on 19 Apr 2024
134 points (89.4% liked)

Asklemmy

44149 readers
758 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy ๐Ÿ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

The show's good btw...

(page 2) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Nope. There are problems that won't be solved because of the framework of the system, but there are things that will be solved because it falls within the framework. Hopefully it goes a good direction, so far it's been good for humans.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's both capable and willing, the problem is that not everyone agrees with the solutions being used. And so they say "we're doing it wrong" instead of "I think we're doing it wrong."

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, not everyone agrees what the problems are. We can't even approach talking about solutions until we settle on the problems. And that problem seems to be getting worse.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Is it really a problem, though?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

Human civilizations have only been around for a couple thousand years. That's nothing.

edit: by this I mean to say that it's too soon to make sweeping generalizations about what human social organizations can or cannot do. A commenter downstream rightly points out that "civilization" isn't a well-defined term in this context, although I was thinking of it as a shorthand term for the various human political, commercial, cultural, etc. organizations of a given era. My contention is that because recorded history is only a couple of thousand years old, we do not have enough information about what the various components of "civilization" are capable of, especially when they are overlapping, interacting, and meeting a novel challenge.

btw I tried reading this book but got bored halfway through, and I watched the first episode and wasn't that impressed either. I read the wikipedia summary and it's got some neat ideas, though.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Human civilizations have only been around for a couple thousand years.

At least four thousand, but I agree with the rest of your comment.

load more comments (8 replies)
[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I disagree. "No longer" implies we were ever capable

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Good catch, and I agree.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No problem is ever solved no solution has ever been without further problems.

This is indicative of an ever expanding problem-solution matrix of entropy, meaning we're neither solving issues nor creating problems, we're just creating more complex landscapes to navigate.

This is why Buddhist monks and high tech computerized supply chains can both legitimately be said to have the answers we need, even though they're from radically different ends of this entropy.

It's also why they're both wrong and lying to themselves.

We are both the problem and the solution.

load more comments
view more: โ€น prev next โ€บ