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Zellij (a terminal multiplexer) 0.40.0 released (zellij.dev)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Noob-warning ;)

Looks pretty cool. It almost gives a desktop-workspace vibe and seems way smarter than me flipping through my 6-10 session tabs.

Does someone know if Zellij run ontop of bash, fish etc, or is it a shell replacement ? I hopped to Guix and would rather not dive too deep atmo with changing shells and so on. Also, is it possible to control with mouse ? I often lean back and do things with a mouse and prefer both options if possible.

Never got around to using mux, but this seems nice.

Thx.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, Zellij runs on top of bash/fish etc, no need to change your existing shell. And yes, you can control with your mouse as well, but you can't resize the panes with your mouse - but other than that, most mouse operations work as you'd expect.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well, if I need to resize those rigid panes, I'll just have to suck it up and manually move my hand to the keyboard ! ..and exercise is supposedly healthy anyway 🙃

I'll give it a spin. Thanks a lot.

edit: git had good information: https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij

edit2: "Try Zellij without installing

bash/zsh: bash <(curl -L zellij.dev/launch) fish/xonsh: bash -c 'bash <(curl -L zellij.dev/launch)' "

VERY easy to test out!

Last edit: https://zellij.dev/documentation/overview

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

zellij attach --create-background

Nice; this was the only thing preventing me from making a full switch from tmux to zellij.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Agh! I just today switched from Zellij to Byobu.
It was for the cool system monitor status bar. And drag-resize panes.
But you can win me back with floating panes that don't disappear when I click on panes behind them! And a way to detach ghost sessions.
Multi-modifier keyboard shortcuts would go a long way too. I should have checked the changelog before starting to write this post.
There's a lot that I really like about Zellij. Session focus indicators, stylish border characters, panes and tabs. It's very classy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This may not be the place but would you mind sharing how they compare in your opinion ?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Zellij and Byobu? Byobu is less pretty but more functional, probably because it's a front-end for existing mature technologies (screen/tmux). I've seen it described as more or less just a list of presets for tmux, so presumably you could get the same effect by spending a few hours customizing base tmux.
Zellij feels new and hip (special fonts for pretty borders and buttons) but some aspects don't feel quite finished (like how it's missing multiple modifier keys to avoid keyboard shortcut collisions, how it's not in major distribution repositories, no drag-resize panes (that I've found, at least)). It feels inevitable that Zellij is going to overtake the incumbent multiplexers and soon but for the moment I just really wanted that system monitor status bar.
Both have panes, tabs, sessions, degrees of gpm functionality. Zellij has the other-user-focus indicator, Byobu has the status bar and renamable tabs. Byobu will automatically reattach if a session is found, Zellij needs a few lines in .bashrc first. Both can save and load layouts but Zellij needs you to write the layout to a kdl file somewhere while Byobu can do it with one keypress (not sure if that survives across sessions though). I get the impression that permanent config in Zellij requires more manual config file manipulation, which isn't necessarily a negative, but feels more like having to learn a new programming language for something you'll set up once and then immediately forget about.
Both have more pros than cons and I'm sure I'll continue bouncing back and forth as I refine my understanding and opinions.

A quick thought experiment for how I think Zellij could close the distance:
Preset layouts, or community layouts that are easily shared
Live system resource monitor status bar (I spent weirdly long looking for a single-row live terminal resource monitor that I could just set up in its own pane and just couldn't find one)
Of course, being able to bind multiple hotkey modifiers, though I've read on the github issue that that's not necessarily a trivial feature)
More mouse functionality (though I might be in the minority there, haha)
Maybe a TUI interface for setting config items

Looking at this list, it's really just a bunch of things that would suit my own personal workflow, haha.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wow, thank you so much for the very thorough answer! I've been interested in both and having the point of view of someone who has experienced both is extremely useful. I appreciate it a lot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Try them both! Let me know if you have a different experience.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Hopefully i can grab some time to take both for a spin soon!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So I've tried them both, since you re-inspired me to do so the other day, and I have to say I'm very impressed with Zellij so far. I understand it's still an ongoing project that will need a lot of polish, but so far feels like it has a philosophy that I can actually meaningfully integrate in my workflow, especially custom layouts. I still have a lot to learn about it to have areally good idea fo how that would work out though, but I can already see myself usign it in projects I have in mind and the documentation is really thorough. ^^

Byobu, on the other hand, oof. That was not a welcoming experience. I had to read the man pages to get a decent idea about how it works in general, because the pretentious video tutorial on their website was a disaster. None of the shortcuts I tried from what they were showing did what they were supposed to do. Configuration issue, most likely, but I'm not going to dive head first into config files so I can try it out properly. That was very, very weird.

Thanks again for your insight and motivating me to give them a go!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's good to hear!
I just tried Byobu in Konsole on Plasma 6, and it did not go well, so I can definitely see why your impression wouldn't be great.
I've not watched their videos, and originally found it really easy to work through the keyboard shortcuts, but some combination of KDE and Konsole just eats up all the key combinations. If this was my first experience, I would have bounced off immediately.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That tracks, I also happen to be on Konsole and Plasma 6! That explains things!

About the video, it's a wordless demonstration with minimal in-terminal narration and ... Mozart as the soundtrack for some reason? The whole thing along with the manpages-only doc did give me newbie-hostile, elitist vibes which were a stark contrast with zellij's "look at all the cool things I can do!", friendly approach.

Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate well written manpages, goodness knows they're often written as an afterthought, but zellij's documentation is just amazing at getting you started and understand the philosophy with a super hands-on approach. Honestly, kudos to them.

divulgâcheI'm more of a Vivaldi kinda gal anyway lol :V