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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

EDIT: There is no source available for this poll, or for any "Dialog Center."

An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership.

But ... this is because of the failure of Netanyahu to prevent the attacks (among other failures), not because they think the Israeli government is treating Palestinians unjustly.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who says those things are not correlated ?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is the point I keep wondering about. What was the expectation? People only take so much injustice before snapping.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

They expected a few bombings now and then, mostly stopped by the good guys from movies.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago

The only place Bibi belongs is behind bars

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Netanyahu has been a big fan and supporter of Hamas

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” Netanyahu told his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Guy that founded hamas as controlled opposition supports hamas, news at 11

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm always skeptical of articles that don't link the poll results directly. For all we know, the poll question could be something like "on a scale of 1-10, how much responsibility does such and such bear" with them counting anything a 2 and above as saying that party is to blame.

Anyone have a link to the actual poll results?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm digging around on this, and what I am finding is sorely lacking.

Everyone is referencing a "Dialog Center poll [or survey] released Thursday," and most reporting refers back to this JPost article. Nobody links to the report. Nobody links generally to any "Dialog Center."

The only "Dialog Center" that I can find is Dialog Center International, which is described as "a Christian counter-cult organization." And its website/domain (according to Wikipedia) is not even registered.

So we have JPost referencing a poll taken by an organization which - so far as I can tell - may or may not even exist. This is propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Isreali citizens are pretty discreet on the social networks regarding critics about their gov. We don't see them going in Jerusalem or Haifa demonstrating against this fucking massacre.

Of course not, they feel and by evidence superior to us, mere mortals.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I suspect the political peril he's in will encourage him to take more drastic action against Gaza than he otherwise would have to get back popular opinion. Seems like he's going to level the northern half.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed.

But wouldn't it be cheaper to just herd them all into gas chambers? /s

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well they can’t go full mask off

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Honestly they probably could and the west would still have their back

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

This seems to mean they blame the government for lack of "security" before the attack, which could mean they just want more apartheid.

And "must resign after the war" is way different than "must resign." Any leader, but especially an authoritarian, would read this and say "Guess I should never end the war, then."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

They're just upset that Palestinians weren't opressed enough.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Ask him politely to resign i'm sure he will consider it