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yet another post where the title says "Trump To Actually Be Held Responsible For Crimes Committed On Live TV" and the article is just people who ahve nothing to do with either Trump or the law guessing that someone could possibly do something with no idea as to whether anyone will actually do anything. It's raw speculation and it degrades the platform, but anything that says "Trump Good" or "Trump Bad" will of course get a million upvotes.
Feels like I'm back on fucking Reddit.
That article was quite the incoherent circlejerk
Welcome to the new Newsweek. It's shit so consistently, I no longer click.
To be honest, I find myself reading them more. Their goals are to drive clicks more than political ideals. It's garbage, but consistent garbage with minimal bias compared to most other options. At least you know where they stand...
Screw Trump but this whole article is nothing more than conjecture from two dudes on twitter. When the hell did stuff like this become news?
When we stopped funding news
FTA:
"Thus NY AG James looks to be soon greenlit to execute on her $450 million judgment against Trump as if Trump posted no bond."
That was my #1 question in all of this, assuming a bond failure, does she get to go after $175 million in assets or $450 million?
Now we know...
Why does this guy get to run for president when he appears to have committed millions of dollars in fraud? Shouldn’t that be jail time for anyone else?
Because we elected a black dude and holy shit did that break the right.
Obama really did open the floodgates on all the racists. I guess I was really naive, but I had no idea there were so many racist everywhere.
As a white guy with a beard in a blue collar industry, I'm shocked at what strangers will just assume I'm cool with hearing out of their mouths. They truly have no shame anymore. It's fucking wild.
My colleagues and I are all mechanical or industrial engineers. We travel around the country to project sites. I'll be on a job site and hear all the trades guys saying the most vile shit. And be completely shocked I tell them to knock it off or I'll tell the general contractor to get someone else out.
The part that pisses me off the most though is how often they're union members.
Add tattoos. Yea. People are awful. "I like Alex Jones". I have never wanted to punch a coworker so much in my life.
The way I respond is always 'neutral' but calling them what they are. So for Alex Jones I might say 'oh the dude who lied about dead kids?' the key is to sound neutral and then just disengage if they try to start a conversation about it. 'yea I don't care dude'.
'tate? The rapist and woman beater? OK.' just disengage on that topic. Make it see like you're stating a fact, because you are and there's no room for them to argue or engage.
For real. It's like they completely don't get that it sounds so bad when you just stick to the facts.
Yeah: “Isn’t he the guy who [insert atrocious fact or quote from whichever asshole here]” either gets them confused, usually resulting in a “but Hunter’s laptop” response, no matter the topic. Or they quiet down and move on in my experience.
I usually do the same thing in relation to donnie with magats that start up and don't know me - I don't engage on any of their latest insider ragebait too-online/too much Faux Cinematic Universe, and usually feign general uninterest in politics, but ask questions like - "Isn't Trump the guy that was convicted of rape?"
If I really want to go there and there are not children around, I'll ask if Trump isn't the guy that wants to fuck his own daughter? I do the same "many people are saying" tactic that donnie himself does and it usually shuts them right the hell up because if they want to start up with nonsense about Biden, I'll just feign ignorance about any of their latest poutrage porn that they consume all day and ask why they don't know that donnie wants to bang his own daughter.
For the magats that are terminally online/in their own little magat bubble, someone saying this in such stark terms really tends to shock them for a few minutes. They might be used to trying to debate "nice" liberals/leftists on their terms, or with their framing, or hoping they can flip it into a conversation about something else....
My favorite is when racists say "We've had a black president so we can't be a nation of racists."
Like....somehow having a black president now makes it okay for all of the shit conservatives want to do.
They did it on CNN. I remember some Republican prick saying, "you know why we're not racist? Obama."
It just so happened that the racists got outvoted. Their party really seized upon being racists though.
Oh, so did that repub vote for Obama, then? I realize that was on tv, but when I hear that IRL, I'll ask if they voted for Obama. If they did, could they explain why the hell we had the birtherism shit? And why donnie, who is king of the birthers, is the choice of the cons and how did he get into office?
The US failed to hang traitors in the 1860s and now here we are.
And again with the business plot.
This all goes back to those neighborhood apps where everyone was openly racist. All around the time of BLM. Download anyone of them today to find out how racist your neighbors are.
We never had a reckoning for slavery, for segregation, redlining, employment discrimination. Or any of the thousands of other racist touchstones of our country. In fact, far too many Americans still blame the victims and their descendants for the struggles they still experience. Too many Americans blame their own struggles on the victims as well. Obama opened no floodgates. These people were always wildly racist. They'd just not had such an opportunity to so vocally and visually demonstrate it.
My ignorance of just how much it permeated my childhood and young adult years was terrifying. Even colloquial phrases and sayings picked up in my youth were coded with racism. And with how little we promote understanding and learning. It's easy to see how so many getting called out for it rather than stopping to learn. Just push back and double down self-righteously. America is a wildly racist country, and always has been.
It's to the point where some of them are now trying to find ways to make it worse to call someone racist than being a racist.
I think that is indeed true - they got somehow even worse than they were before, but honestly, after Clinton, they would have done the same thing. They'd let a WAB like donnie the vain Manhattanite born with a silver spoon in his mouth and a 2-hour beauty regime get away with nearly anything, because they think he's a bigly strong businessman and one of them, lol.
They were spreading all kinds of BS in the 90s about Clinton and thought he should have been executed - and that's even before these weird freaks found out about the BJ. The fact that he "got away" with a BJ drove them up the wall.
Yeah but come on. He wore a tan suit once. What did you expect? It's like we were asking for this.
And the feet on the desk! And the latte salute!
Also, also, also! The looooooong form biiiiiirth sertifikate! We never saw it! He is the Kenyan usurper! And The Storm is still coming for Hillary and Obama and Hunter, by gawd.
Don't forget the terrorist fist jab.
So did Reagan and both Bush’s but “that’s okay”. /s
This is what I come back to. The right's crazy was in check somewhat beforehand, but when Obama won it went off the cliff.
I just think they have a better megaphone now, and the liberal (lol) Big Tech seemingly has algorithms that prioritize engagement - and the crazy shit tends to get people angry and therefore, more engaged in, let's be honest, rehashes of John Birch Society and Protocols of the Elders of Zion levels of horse manure. Let's face it - there is very little new that's under the sun, it just gets new packaging.
They were crazy over the Clintons in the 90s. Hatriot radio didn't have algorithms though, and neither did USENET/BBSes or the very early web. Going further back, they didn't have Faux news or even BBSes; they had to stand out on a corner and try to hand out bullshit like Jack Chick tracts or Bircher literature. It'd be nice if they had to revert back to that level of spreading their nonsense.
Some went crazy before, but then the crazy took over when Obama won.
I definitely think they were able to be a lot more bold in their dogwhistles. I'd be interested in seeing surveys that had questions that serve as ways to suss out how it waxed and waned over the years...my guess is that their numbers may have actually gone down over the years, but they are more visible/have more influence in relation to their numbers.
Remember when Bush was, what we thought, the lowest we could go? Dude is loveable by current standards.
I shudder to think what the repug party will manifest after donnie. It should be obvious that donnie did not make the repug party any different; they were always bad and on a trajectory of getting worse. People like Newt and Rush accelerated that for sure, along with platforms like hatriot radio and Faux "News".
I doubt they'll course correct after mainlining someone like donnie for years, they will be chasing that dragon ever after and will never settle for methadone like ronnie raygun or Bush Sr/Jr or Romney or McCain...I imagine at some point donnie himself will be declared "woke" or a "RINO", especially when I see him claiming he won't vote for a federal ban on abortion.
Why does this guy get to run for president when he appears to have committed millions of dollars in fraud? Shouldn’t that be jail time for anyone else?
Because he was found guilty in a civil trial and not a criminal one. Think of OJ, convicted of civil wrongful death but not murder in a criminal court. Lose money, but don't go to jail.
Why is fraud against the state considered civil? It seems to be a crime for everyone else
Not sure what answer you're looking for, but because the attorney general brought a civil case. Perhaps they couldn't prove criminal fraud, since criminal trials have a higher burden of proof. Perhaps they could satisfy certain elements of criminal fraud, but not all of them. Perhaps they could demonstrate that the actions (actus reus) took place but not the intent (mens rea) required. These would all be questions for the NY AG.
Weirdly, it wasn't a criminal case, purely civil. The criminal side of the case was against the Trump organization and he had a fall guy for that:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/allen-weisselberg-sentencing-trump-organization/index.html
He served 3 months.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-weisselberg-jail-tax-evasion-6b4e0bbad6d9c92d792cbbcb785882af
But they just hit him again:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-weisselberg-perjury-0101a9972cefd1e1fb4ba6d36e69fecb
Edit: This article is garbage. Letitia James hasn't announced shit, this is reporting what some guys on Twitter are talking about. I wouldn't hold my breath until a better source reports about it.
The State of New York gets to collect on the entire judgement. That is the amount that the trial court found him liable for and that's the amount he must pay.
The bond amount being lowered only means that he needs to post that amount as a guarantee against the judgement in order to stop execution before he appeals. If he loses his appeal, he still needs to pay the full amount of the judgement. Since the bond was no good, it is the same as if he didn't post anything.
I often go to threads about Newsweek articles to see the discussion, but I never click the articles anymore. They're a total rag, and seem to have figured out that people on both sides will click an article saying Trump is going to get something that's coming to him.
Surely Hankey isn't offering up $175 million on Trump's behalf out of the goodness of his own heart. This is surely an investment where he can gain privileged access to the Trump administration if he gets into office again, maybe get some lucrative government contracts out of it.
Shit, he offered to put in 475, but while on the call to set it up, trumps lawyers found out they got it lowered to 175, and told Hankey he was no longer needed.
Then had to go back for the 175 because no one legit would even know that.
It's very possible trumps lawyers knew a bond wouldn't work, but knew by the time that was found out, Hankey was on the hook.
It's a lot easier for trump to avoid paying Hankey than the government.
So this article speculating a lot and discussing a couple of people who were speculating and discussing on Xitter? Wow this is worthless...
She was going to seize propert if no bond.
This bond came in at the last second.
A bunch of issues were found with the bond.
A court ruled it's not valid.
For some reason that means they have to pay the bond in cash, and trump has to cover the rest of the original?
A court ruled it's not valid.
Has this happened yet? all I've seen so far is the court asked the insurance co for more information, but no outright ruling on the validity.
A New York court has rejected Knight Specialty's paperwork and said it wanted to see more information on its financial backing. The company filed new paperwork on April 4.
It's my understanding that new paperwork didn't help anything.
Like, one of the issues was they weren't even licensed in NY, I don't know how paperwork could retroactively make it legal.
But while they can't promise to pay it under bond, they did sign something saying they were good for 175 million. And they don't have it.
So trump failed to post bond, and now they can seize property.
I think
Shits confusing and trump just says anything to delay this stuff. But I think if Knight doesn't cut a check for cash, they seize property up to what they couldn't out of the 175 million. Or maybe somehow the whole amount because he couldn't get the bond.