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[–] [email protected] 176 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Am I missing something? Microsoft literally won't let me upgrade because my fully functional processor is deemed to old for them. Of coarse the adoption rate is low if they start by excluding a good portion of their user base.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't even understand why they make that distinction. I recently bought a used notebook with Windows 10 preinstalled that can't be upgraded. But if you just boot up the Windows 11 ISO it works fine without issues from there.

Granted I don't know why someone would want this; I was genuinely surprised when I noticed installation without a Microsoft account isn't supposed to be possible. Then you get that system that just feels sketchy to use, Teams in autostart, online services in your menus and all that. And that's just the stuff you can see. It's a total disaster in my opinion. But it went downhill ever after Windows 7 as far as I can tell.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Windows 11's primary new feature is SOC level DRM. Old CPUs don't have the hardware. Obviously MS won't advertise this, so they end up making vague arguments that Window 11 is "better" but never really elaborate.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because Windows 11's primary new feature is SOC level DRM.

Can you please what this means in idiot proof terms?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He may be referring to this:

The concerns include the abuse of remote validation of software (where the manufacturer‍—‌and not the user who owns the computer system‍—‌decides what software is allowed to run) and possible ways to follow actions taken by the user being recorded in a database, in a manner that is completely undetectable to the user.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

That is mentioned in the article.

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Windows 11 has one specific limiting feature that drives me bonkers and it's not being able to click the clock in the bottom right on a secondary monitor to pull up a calendar. Windows 10 has this, why remove it?

It's a miniscule but good feature

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It seems like they are going out of their way to remove good features. Like they removed the option to right click the taskbar and open task manager. They since added it back, but only because of user demand.

They have removed quick access to disabling the network, seeing and changing ip settings.

I can't remember all the annoying issues, but there's a lot.

I hate that it has become a general thing to ruin user experience and possibilities of customization. Google is doing the same with android.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Why would I upgrade to an OS that pushes ads on my login screen and start menu? Some software forces me to keep a windows machine around but I'm certainly in no hurry to upgrade from 10 to 11.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Let's see. Its full of ads, spyware and the ui is a complete mess.

I can't imagine why people a digging in there heals

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I think, like the article says, the hardware issue is the biggest hurdle. People use Facebook, after all, and it is full of ads and its UI is also a complete mess.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (4 children)

2 years is plenty of time to see where linux support is. We should have a good idea by then of where gaming and streaming quality stand for the foreseeable future.

Most of my PCs will easily go to linux, the big question is whether to suck it up and upgrade my gaming rig to 11 or just switch everything to linux.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Switching to Linux is a pain, but its a pain once, staying on windows is the pain that keeps on giving

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ARE YOU SURE YOU DONT WANT A ONEDRIVE SUBCRIPTION?!?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Switching to Linux is a pain, but its a pain once

Until there's some weird problem and the only way to solve it is to copy some dudes code from StackExchange and pray that it isn't actually a harmful script.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That's hardly a Linux-specific problem. There are plenty of Windows problems I've encountered where running some random dude's registry update script is the recommended answer. If you are running anything with Admin / Root rights in any OS you had better understand what you're doing.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaming is much better on Linux thanks to Steam, but having lots of problems with more recent games and their cursed launchers. I try and remember that Gen X had to figure all this stuff out with early versions of Windows and I should resurrect the same determination that got me through back then... but I'd be lying if I said it was easy.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It really depends on the games you play. The thing is, you need to be really honest with yourself in regards to what you play and how far you're willing to go for the ease of use. Most, if not all games that don't require invasive anti cheat will just work,there are outliers like media foundations cinematics that just don't work without protonGE, but even that's not really a problem and getting smaller and smaller with every proton update. Are you comfortable installing the heroic games launcher from a terminal if it's not available in your software center? If so, then that opens up a whole new library of games to play from Epic and GoG, if not then use a distro that has it preinstalled.

The Linux community will make you think it's an easy transition, and for the most part it is, but as someone who moved to Linux full-time and has been running only Linux for about 6 months, there are still hurdles to jump over, it was about 80% click install and play, and the other 20% was troubleshooting and trying different versions of proton. I'm willing to live with those odds if it means complete freedom of my computer and cutting all ties to Windows. If I want to play games that have anti cheat though, I either have to use GeForce now or use my consoles. However, increasing support for crossplay makes this a non-issue in most cases.

I do hope you make the jump, it's pretty clear the path Microsoft wants to follow and I don't want any part of it, neither should anyone else. We're in sort of a golden age of Linux gaming right now thanks to Valve, and the momentum doesn't seem to be slowing down thanks to the steam deck.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (7 children)

To me an os should be something that just let's me run programs of my choice and use my hardware to it's fullest. Eg be as light as possible.

With windows it just wants to suck up all my hardware/battery by itself and puts up a fight anytime I want to install anything myself

Don't know how many times now I've had to take defaults away from things like edge but yeah

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I have a rig with Windows 10, and haven't upgraded because.. Microsoft arbitrarily say my CPU is unsupported, even though it meets all the criteria.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Windows 11 coerced me into being an Ubuntu user.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The comparisons in the article are boneheded.

According to Statcounter, the worldwide Windows version desktop market share puts Windows 10 at 71.64 percent, with Windows 11 trailing at 23.61 percent.

To put that in context, Windows 11 was launched two years ago today. Windows 10 was launched in 2015 and took two years to reach the same market share as the then-dominant player, Windows 7.

Comparing the numbers of the move from 7 to 10 to that from 10 to 11 ignores that whole shitshow with 8.0 and the correction of 8.1.

Of course it's easier for 10 to dethrone 7 when there is the spoiler effect of 8 and 8.1!

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (14 children)

So anyways, I've been playing Baldurs Gate and Genshin on Linux and it's pretty dope

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The steam deck being on a Linux architecture really pushed this forward. Go Linux! And go ARM!

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Windows, a solution to problems that only exist because of Windows.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The single biggest reason is that Microsoft significantly limited the hardware that can be used for W11 with the TPM and stringent hardware needs.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

My pc isn't compatible with Win11 (unsupported cpu) and since I'm poor, I'm not getting a new one anytime soon.

Besides, Win10 is great.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Windows 11 is basically Windows 10 with a slightly nicer (in most respects) desktop. There aren't a lot of compelling reasons to switch if what you have works well enough.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Windows 11 is also much better at collecting personal data with improved analytics and Microsoft spyware running under the hood. Not to mention it's superiority at serving advertisements and embedding them in nearly every aspect of the UI.

It's doubtful that Microsoft shareholders have meetings about how to improve the user experience of their OS. I think they are more concerned with extracting every penny they can designing the most efficient backend to harvest data and push ads, kinda like our friends at Alphabet, Microsoft is trying so desperately to emulate.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The new start menu sucked, and is one of the main reasons I won't switch.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Windows 10 isn't even close to end of support.

If enterprise users haven't moved over then individual users don't need to.

I will move over before support finishes but make no mistake that'll be because I'm forced to due to security reasons and not because I want to.

My windows 10 enterprise has been running flawlessly.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (10 children)

There is a trend line of the amount of shit you need to do to get linux to do things you want.
There is a trend line of the amount of shit you need to do to stop windows from doing things you don't want.

Those two lines have crossed quite a while ago.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Why bother update, Window 12 is going to be out soon anyway.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The usual “switch to Linux” spiel.

It’s easier than ever before, blah blah blah.

[Debian based distro] is a good option.

Beware of temporary pitfalls such as Adobe and arrogant game devs decided not to tick the EAC/Battleye for Proton compatibility box, etc.

Tbh, it’s really getting tiring to tell people to try Linux to only get hit with a tsunami of out of date straw man arguments featuring issues that haven’t be relevant in almost a decade.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

I doubt I'll switch any time soon, I use Linux for work and have a dislike for how small issues turn into hours of troubleshooting, but anyway, not the point. I think something that deters a lot of people are the really vocal people who shove it down others throats and treat people who don't want to switch like idiots.

We all have our reasons, I'll keep using Win10 until it becomes too much of a security risk and then reevaluate my options. For now I enjoy having shit that just works, for example, I use Cura, it hasn't had a working Linux release in years, there's a lot of deterrents for the layperson or those who have to troubleshoot and struggle to get shit working for a job and couldn't be arsed to do it in their personal time.

Ah, also, some things I see in these comments I don't really deal with because I use enterprise edition. MS I believe is smart enough to not fuck with their enterprise customers as that's where their profits are, so I guess my experience is slightly different (I was also an MS SysEng for ~12 years)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I said it before, and I say it again. Once I am forced to switch to win 11, I'm not doing so. I'm simply switching to Linux.

Windows has been on a downward spiral and I don't see that improving anytime soon

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Windows 10 should be proud it is XP next generation. We are going to get another vista disaster if Microsoft keeps pushing 11.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I use windows 10 atm. The wife is using windows 11. This is a laptop though, so I might just keep it as windows 10 and then get a new computer and put linux on it. Windows 11 has no redeeming qualities as far as I can see.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

These articles cater to the privacy centric, super user type people, which is totally fine, but we should remember that we are not the average user. We represent... basically an insignificant percentage of the user base.

Windows is not actually having a problem getting people to upgrade to Windows 11. There is a small minority of people who see the issues and are loud about it, but I guarantee that 95% will update when their computer tells them they have to update (when it does the "next time you restart we are doing it for you" thing).

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (10 children)

For that to happen they'd have to drop the TPM requirement.

Pretty sure my CPU (i5-8400) has it, but for some reason it doesn't show up. Probably disabled in the BIOS, although I've no idea why.

In any case I don't care until I have a good reason to upgrade. Direct Storage was threatening to be Win 11 only, but I've honestly never heard of any games requiring it yet. And the still fucked GPU prices mean I'm more likely to play those on my PS5 than upgrade my PC for it.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My rig is outdated but plays all the games I play. I can’t afford a gaming rig update just to get Windows 11 with start menu ads and junk.

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