this post was submitted on 23 Mar 2024
227 points (96.7% liked)

Linux

53358 readers
514 users here now

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

Rules

Related Communities

Community icon by Alpár-Etele Méder, licensed under CC BY 3.0

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I've been on Wayland for the past two years exclusively (Nvidia).

I thought it was okay for the most part but then I had to switch to an X session recently. The experience felt about the same. Out of curiosity, I played a couple of games and realized they worked much better. Steam doesn't go nuts either.

Made me think maybe people aren't actually adopting it that aggressively despite the constant coverage in the community. And that maybe I should just go back.

(page 5) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I couldn't get the trackpad working right on X (why tf is acceleration on by default?), tried switching to Wayland in the first few hours of using Linux, and haven't had significant issues since. At that point I had no reference on performance, so no way to tell if X would be better.

There's maybe one bug that causes an unrecoverable GPU hang when using certain applications, but that may have been fixed in the kernel already, and I just need to use something newer than 22.04 LTS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

A couple years(ish) on intel-only laptops. I run it with KDE Plasma. I only think about it when I see a thread like this one.

For me it Just Works™. I recognize that being intel-only may be a contributing factor, and my certification of Just Works™ is not to imply dismissal of any problems others may be having. 🙂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whenever Nobara moves to KDE 6, I'll probs switch over to Wayland. Likely sometime this year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is already using plasma 6 since a few weeks back, or am I miss interpreting something?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was using it on a new work machine, it was fine.

The main issue is all the good tiling wms are X11 based and I don't really want to use a wayland version of i3. I want some dynamic tiling goodies.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've been using it since Plasma 6 came out so about 3-4 weeks.

Overall, it's been a very negative experience for me. The main problems have been:

  • Random scaling issues in apps: some apps show a slightly smaller cursor, other show a poorly upscaled one, others have random rendering issues like lines remaining on the screen after an option is no longer highlighted (gimp, libreoffice, many others), some apps have random flickering of parts of the UI, some apps no longer scale at all or are scaled twice. Plasmashell itself has blurry icons on the desktop but all other KDE apps don't. I know fractional scaling has always been problematic, but it has gotten worse to the point of being almost unusable
  • Random crashes of GTK apps when using the wayland backend. Some GTK apps don't even start and segfault immediately with a wayland error in the terminal
  • Some apps like okular and libreoffice lag like crazy or outright freeze when scrolling
  • Some games not capturing the cursor properly (Proton)
  • Inconsistent font rendering, some fonts look fine in some apps and atrocious in others
  • Issues when resizing or moving windows, some times they "jerk" off the screen or resize to a very tiny window and I'm forced to use key combinations to resize them again
  • Random issues with window decoration not appearing in some apps but randomy appearing for things like context menus

This is on a full AMD system with Arch Linux, the latest kernel and mesa-git. I hope for KDE's sake that there's something broken in my installation because I can't believe the KDE team released Plasma 6 in this sorry state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I haven't run KDE 6 but on Kubuntu with the last LTS 5.27 release, I don't have any of those issues also on a fully AMD system

You know, some personal anecdote here but Arch is a really shitty distro when it comes to subtle, hard to detect, system config breakage so maybe there's something wrong somewhere in the system?

Give it a try with another distro like Debian or something and see if the issues happen there

And if they do, for the love of fuck FILE BUG REPORTS! The only reason we're here today is because people who got annoyed at shit filed bug reports for it

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried for a bit and it was great, no complaints. However, I was having issues getting NixOS set up as quickly as I would like, so I went back to Pop!_OS. I'm looking forward to the next release of Pop, which will have full Wayland by default.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been running wayland on popOS for a year now. Works great. It's already installed, you just have to into a file and either delete a line or change false to true. Takes about 2 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've thought about making the leap, but this is a work machine so I want to make sure it's rock solid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Got hyprland running on the macbook, have tested it out on desktop. Not quite the daily driver, plasma 6 on X is still the norm there, but I think as soon as synergy works in Wayland I’ll make the switch everywhere

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every update of plasma I switch to Wayland so far my record is 1 week before running into a deal breaker issue.

Though Plasma six is so close to working for me. The only issues I'm getting on wayland is flickering in games, an issue where some windows don't show up on the task bar, awful screen tearing when using two monitors of different resolutions, keyboard lag.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

A year-ish, Plasma, Intel iGPU for Desktop and Nvidia offload for Steam. It's great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

When VMWare Horizon Client (which I need for work) supports it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have a laptop with integrated Intel graphics and a desktop with Nvidia graphics. I use Wayland on the former right now as of KDE 6. I have noticed some odd behaviors, but overall it has been fine. The latter, however, just boots to a black screen. I have neither the time nor the desire to debug that right now, so I will adopt Wayland on that machine when it works with Nvidia to a reasonable degree of stability.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I use it with gnome on nixos without any problems AFAICT. Had the explicit sync issue with Nvidia initially but I ended up buying an rx6800 to use as the host GPU when I set up win11 with KVM. Been completely fine since.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've been using it since about spring 2022 and it's been way more reliable than X for me. The only times I've had trouble was one computer where I was missing one of the pipewire packages I needed for screen sharing and another time I tried to run it on a 20 year old Radeon X1600, but both of those were my fault and not something a normal user is likely to encounter. For context I've used Sway, Hyprland, GNOME, and Plasma although the usability has been the same between all of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I need full screen share and I think it isn't there for wayland. But the track pad support is better in wayland.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm running Wayland for many months now. Yust because why not. It just works. Debian sid with gnome here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ye, since Plasma 5.24 I think. Used to occasionally switch to X11 for competitive gaming, but as of Plasma 6 their Wayland compositor supports fullscreen tearing, so now I have no need to use X11 anymore

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

When I can inject keystrokes to windows not on focus with scripts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, though "since when" depends on the machine. My last machine to switch over was one with an NVIDIA GPU a couple of months ago.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have for more than a year. I've never had a single problem, but I'm on an all AMD system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Using Wayland with KDE Plasma 6 on Arch btw. But I installed the old NVIDIA driver 535, waiting for explicit sync in 555 to fix flickering in games.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Been running Wayland for 5 years on my development laptop (sway, Intel GPU, blacklisted the nvidia gpu). At the start I've had a couple of issues, nothing too bad. Haven't had any issues for over 2 years. Switched to Linux on my gaming PC about a year ago, KDE plasma on Wayland but do most of my gaming from a steam gamescope session. Very happy overall with Wayland, glad it exists. Sharp text on a fractionally scaled display for reading code was just too compelling at the time and it only improved.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I could switch tomorrow if I could do my current setup:

  • Tiling Window manager (sway?)
  • simple status bar to output text from a script with clickable applet icons (waybar?)
  • the way to show/hide windows on a button press - I have a script that I use to quickly toggle 3 dropdown terminal windows

Last time I tried Wayland in December, I had issues with waybar not supporting clicking tray applet icons. Also I've ported my dropdown terminals script to support sway - and it worked half the time, like, literally every second key press was ignored.

On one hand I have X session that currently has no downsides for me, on other - wayland that has no upsides. Tell me, why would I switch?

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've been using Wayland since the end of last year, I haven't done any real benchmarking but games run about the same for me on either.

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›