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[–] [email protected] 83 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This concept is the "third space" -- a social space other than work and home where people can congregate, socialize, and relax. Parks and libraries are some of the only remaining spaces in capitalism where people can be humans without paying for the privilege to exist by the minute.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

True, that is what the concept has become. But we need to remember that "third place" originally ment places of business like pubs, cafés, barbershops etc.

Modern cities do need the kind of places you ment - not more malls or apple stores (think I read that it's a new trend to have those resemble places you can casually chill so they can casually sell you their stuff).

[–] [email protected] 76 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Americans reinventing coffee houses that aren't Starbucks be like:

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

You gotta pay to be at a coffee house. And sure, coffee isn't terribly expensive and most places won't kick you out even hours after you've bought your single cup of coffee, but non-Starbucks coffee shops are usually tiny and in some places hard to find.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Look, we've reinvented the tubes a bunch of times...

We will reinvent humanity a billion times....

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I think this is why Borders went out of business...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Borders was pretty cool.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Some libraries, like Austin's Central Library, are centered around that idea.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Driving in my monster truck to get to the library so I can read until 1am

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I miss that about college, 24 hour library filled with people. You have to be quiet on the main floors but upstairs was less strict.

The routine of get a coffee, study for a while, go pee and step outside with some friends for a smoke, and grab another coffee on the way in. Rinse and repeat until the sun comes up.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Man not ours. Couldn't say shit anywhere lol.

Even our computer labs weren't too 3rd-spacey.

Man I miss college sometimes tho. Back when I had friends and a life lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah the upper floors are supposed to be for quiet study but you could still collaborate and talk without being hushed, just can't get too roudy. Michigan State btw.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But then homeless people would have a warm safe place to stay! /s

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And if people aren't isolated they might get silly ideas about questioning the system.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Especially with all those books around. Better ban books and defund libraries. I wish this weren't how a good chunk of the political right think.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Locally we instead pass laws to put liability on librarians and it's been very successful at destroying libraries.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would love this. Like another commenter said, after 10 the no talking rule gets rescinded and it turns into a cafe level of speech.

I’d love to just read books with my wife at a library late at night.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Or simply have study areas where the silence is enforced. Rest of the premises just demands calm.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (8 children)

let's make the place where everybody wants you to shut the fuck up the hub of social interaction

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

The type of nightlife I wouldn't mind. Looks very cozy

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I dunno that sounds a lot like communism

What if we charged people a 'sitting rent'? And if anyone sits down to wait for their friends we call the cops especially if they aren't of the ahem Caucasian persuasion. Heaven forfend humans actually have a 'commons'

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Neat idea, but most libraries I'm familiar with discourage too much social interaction. Maybe after 10 the "be quiet" rule gets rescinded.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They could have a common room where you are allowed to talk. But that would cost money of course, we can't possibly afford that.

Edit: please don't have showers in the common rooms of pubic libraries

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They could have a common room where you are showered to talk.

Sometimes the best ideas come from typos...

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That could work. I think it is an interesting idea to turn libraries into a 3rd space. We need to do something. People are lonely and isolated af.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

My local library closes before night time, so I'm on board with the idea of them a library closing late at night.

I don't even need to talk to others, just seeing people there would soothe me and ease loneliness I get from not socialising much.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Libraries here are regularly opened until 22 or so. It's very nice :)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

That's awesome! The Seattle Central Library closes at 6pm. Like how the fuck are people supposed to use a public resource when it closes as soon as they get off work? It's hella dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

This post is pretty spot on.

Actually the public libraries I know have long abandoned the concept of enforced silence (and librarians 'suggesting' what the patrons should and shouldn't read).

They already have different areas for different needs. And often a café close by or integrated (at least in larger cities). In fact the opening hours are most likely the main reason people don't socialise there in the (late) evenings.

Actually there have been several instances where staff members forgot to lock the entry and libraries have been used outside of their opening hours - without any supervision - and the cool part is that nothing has been vandalized or stolen. Kind of like when libraries abandoned fees for overdue media and the number of returned stuff (in time and long overdue) increased significantly. Libraries have a more central position in our culture than most people realize, they only need to adapt to the times and (re)gain some respect of the public. As institutions they might be more needed than they have been in a long time (providing also reliable information, helping to gain (information) literacy and so on).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

They mostly are around here

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Try kava bars. YMMV depending on your location but here in Florida, there are many that are open late where people just hang out, watch movies, play pool, videogames, read, work, etc and they're usually not loud or crowded and they don't serve alcohol

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

This is a cool idea!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

We are blessed with a small but gorgeous local library that looks like a Frank Lloyd Wright creation, full of natural light. The stacks are lovingly curated and the computer services are great. Wonderful garden out front, friendly staff inside, and modern equipment that makes checkout a breeze. We can reserve books online or check if they are in, etc.

Anyway, after school, our kid walks to the end of the block with her friends and goes into the library. From there, we pick her up. That place is jumping in the afternoons, let me tell you. All the local regulars and all the kids just out of school: littles and teenagers. It’s busy and alive but not noisy (nor are they oppressive assholes about keeping silence). It’s a moment of civic joy to walk in there and get my daughter.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

But also what if the public library did have a bar in it so I can get smashed while learning new stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (8 children)

This is a cool idea, but would significantly increase staffing needs. Where are you going to find librarians who want to work night shift?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In Denmark, many libraries are open far into the evening/night (my local one is open until 22) and get this - they are unstaffed during those hours. You open the door with your loaning card.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Me. I would love to be a third shift librarian.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Is this not what the Cafe is made for? My friends and I frequently meet up in Cafe or public parks and play board games/ card games and chill.

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