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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

definition of a bad actor right there.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

People like her argue in bad faith.

Shun and ostracize people like her.

Remove them from your civil social circles.

Only side eye!

[–] [email protected] 378 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If "due process" only applies to US citizens, then no one has due process. Because all they have to do is claim you're not a US citizen and then there's no due process by which you can refute their claim.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 2 days ago

Yes but understanding that requires second order reasoning skills, and most Americans don't even have first order.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I just got a few days ban from reddit for saying it's the people's responsibility to overthrow tyrannical governments and that there's a blurry line, but it's on the deep end when people are being detained without due process.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

That's because the fascists control all mainstream media, "social" and otherwise. The sooner people properly internalize the implications of that fact, the better off we'll be.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

I mean yes but also this is literally an argument that was used to deny african americans rights that they weren't citizens of any country so had no for example "due process".

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

We would have taken all of this a lot more seriously if we broadly understood that this group doesn't seek outcomes.

I know it seems loaded, but it solves so much of our bafflement. They don't care about outcomes, they don't want solutions or leadership or policies or better futures for themselves or anyone else.

They're just mad and stupid and the left did nothing to manage and redirect this toddlerish rage and incompetence, instead we pretended the system was fair and the idiots wouldn't have power because how could they. Naive and foolish on both sides.

If we worked harder to give these people better stories and targets to hate (hint: the rich really don't want a class war) then maybe they would have made better choices.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Yeah argue with one long enough and they basically just admit they don't care what happens what they love is "owning the libs" the more facts you show them that they can not respond to the more they think they are pissing you off and the more they get their rocks off. 100% they could not care less about any of the things they claim to revere, like the Constitution. Literally the only thing that makes them change their mind is when they realize the policies they voted for apply to them too.

One of my friends adult daughter is fully disabled mentally and physically and my friend can not even work the state pays her to be a caregiver for her child. They100% lives on state support programs. She voted for Trump, I told her before hand she is shooting everyone in the foot and shooting herself in the face with that vote,. She said she disagreed and things will get better for her that she is tired of liberals and "their immigrants" (???) taking part of the tax money that should be going to her and others like her. I was completely dumbfounded. I told her that is completely fabricated BS from Trump and it does not work that way but she told me I did not know what I was talking about, Trump wouldn't just lie about this stuff... yeah. She said THAT.

Now she is telling me how she is so scared they are going to cut her benefits after all the targeting of Social Security and that she felt so betrayed and she thought there was no way Trump would betray his voters like this and there was no way she could have known Trump would have done something this terrible.... I had to look at her and ask how she could have NOT known when I fucking told her multiple times. She finally realized after I said that that I was right. So she knows and will admit she was wrong now. None of my other friends have been affected yet but having talked to them none of them will change their minds until it hurts them or their family directly. Most of them are good enough friends they even admit that they don't care (or even pay attention to) what Trump does as long as it is pissing off the liberals they are happy. At least the first friend realized she was dumb about politics. She told me from now on she was just going to ask me who to vote for.... she is getting smarter about it at least.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

She told me from now on she was just going to ask me who to vote for.... she is getting smarter about it at least.

Really? I couldn't handle that. She's a fucking adult; she should be able to learn critical thinking skills and make her own informed decisions! I'd be down to talk about the issues, but if somebody said "Just tell me how to fill out my ballot", I'd feel sorry for them and I couldn't do it. She's gotta take responsibility for her own actions.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This story reminds me of another point I want to touch on about this all.

When you believe in a thing you know isn't real, it's called cognitive dissonance. It's easy to recognize in people who have supernatural or religious beliefs, but we all do this all day long about a thousand different things.

Cognitive dissonance is not a bug in human cognition, it's a part of our architecture. We are not reasonable, logical beings. We have brains that do one thing and one thing only: write stories to explain our feelings. Nearly every major societal issue comes from this fact, from international wars to your own struggles with anxiety and depression.

I don't know if it's universal, but it seems a common memory many of us have about arguing with our friend who was convinced that WWF wrestling was real. They know that weapons and necromancy are probably not allowed in a real sport, but they also feel so strongly attached to the storyline that they also believe it's real.

Our species is very, very good at holding ideas we know are untrue on some level. When you don't have good language skills and can't take complex ideas and make them abstract using language inside your head, you lack the ability to properly analyze an idea and have any critical thought about it. Language is our key to escape cognitive dissonance and we are being deliberately stripped of this power with a million different distractions. Social media that feeds us imagery and sounds with minimal interaction, AI that does your writing and reading for you. As well as of course, games and other electronic entertainment.

These aren't bad things on their own, but we're also being swamped with agendas and grifters and oligarchs who want split out the people most susceptible to influence in this way, providing them with stories that their brains can latch onto to explain their misery or pain. They may know that say, trans kids aren't the reason that they're broke, overworked and suffering, but it feels good to have a target who can't hurt you. If you're not really paying attention to what you're thinking about what you feel, you can easily believe a hundred contradictory things.

And once they realize that it's okay, that you CAN in fact believe in things that are objectively untrue, but you will get people supporting you and praising for believing that thing, you won't let it go, your brain will even double-down and strengthen that pathway.

We have to get better about understanding our vulnerabilities, because there are systems coming online that are going to be even better at twisting our motivations and thinking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Ok I know it's not what your comment is about, but there is necromancy in WWF? How cool. I need to look into it.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

They're just mad and stupid and the left did nothing to manage and redirect this toddlerish rage and incompetence, instead we pretended the system was fair and the idiots wouldn't have power because how could they. Naive and foolish on both sides.

Liberals did all that. The actual leftists have been saying for decades that this was exactly where liberal centrism was going to end up as the Democrats did everything they could to keep funneling money up to the top as well.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

The rich already have the class war. They just want to make sure we don't find out they're the ones attacking. I remember some rich lady journalist put out some opinion piece warning the working class against seeking a class war, and to just keep fighting the culture wars.

Ah, here it is!

Yeah, Alice Thomson wrote this for The Times back in July of last year, bitching about how the candidates in the UK Parliament elections were touting their working class roots.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That about sums it up. They don't believe the outgroup deserves rights. But if the outgroup doesn't have rights nobody does, they're just privileges that can be taken away at any time

And, it should be noted, the purpose of due process includes to check if these people are breaking any rules and if they're supposed to be here as well as if they're citizens.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

The rule of law…or even the Constitution of the United States…is what they say it is. Their rules, they make up the law to suit what they’ve already done. The constitution, courts, legal code, hell…even the Bible, can get fucked. They’re all petty kings, judge, and jury rolled up into one.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

All of that without grasping that they, themselves- are members of an outgroup that won't always have influence. Assuming democracy can make a come back and something changes in the next election they may find themselves in that "unpopular" group. Bet they'd change their tune for the 37th time in that case.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago

Annie got a gun but not a brain. Without the right to due process for EVERYONE, the state can just snatch anyone they want off the street and claim the person they snatched is a member of a group that isn't entitled to due process. The person, even if they are a citizen, will have no hearing or trial, no right to contact anyone, and be whisked away to a secret prison labor camp or even a death camp. Hey Annie, I'm from the government and I've decided you look like a foreigner. No phone calls, no judge, no jury, straight to the camp with you. #Fascism #PoliceState #MagaIdiot

[–] [email protected] 172 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

It states all 'persons' not all citizens. It comes off as them not knowing this. Blatant ignorance of the constitution.

[–] [email protected] 142 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Don't care."

Not just blatantly ignorant, willfully choosing to ignore the Constitution even when confronted with it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

Probably a White House official then

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago

Without due process, we have no way to know for sure if they are 'illegal aliens' or just citizens with the wrong [fill in the blank].

[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When your knowledge of the constitution is based on vibes.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"The new trend 'Vibe Governing' is sweeping the nation as lawmakers just ask racist AIs with no knowledge of the bills they're actually writing"

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 days ago

I think I just caught a glimpse of the suffering of Americans who use, well, American social media. Y'all have it rough.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

non-american here, what is an "alien" in this context? i imagine it doesn't mean "extraterrestrial"

edit: actually nvm, i just searched it up. why are people being called aliens? does this word even fit that role?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

yes it's the appropriate term with the same meaning dating back to its original latin meaning, well before the concept of extraterrestrials

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Where did you think the scifi term alien came from?

It just means foreigner, people will even use it as a verb

Something is alien (unknown) to me

Alienate is to exclude

Comes from here https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/alienus#Latin

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

I think it's the original definition of the word alien, but I might be wrong. Kinda derogatory now but still used in legal contexts

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien. I'm an Englishman in New York

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you the guy Sting wrote the song about?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Nope. I like my toast done on both sides.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Rhetorical, just FYI. I’m an American in Germany and I’ve literally never met a native German speaker who wasn’t a linguistics professor who didn’t say “rethoric” though, so it’s not a big mistake at all. I do wonder if there was a misprint in a popular textbook or something though, because it’s weirdly consistent, even more so than I would expect from a word with a silent (in German) h somewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I get their thought process. To them, the constitution applies only to US citizens. They are stupid fucks for sure, but I get it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

Isn't that the entire thought process behind Guantanamo? The constitution applies in the us, move them outside our borders and we can do whatever we want. By the same logic, the constitution applies to citizens (when on us soil), not a citizen, no constitutional protections.

To be clear, I'm entirely against this, and I don't think that's actually how our laws work, just furthering your point of understanding how the stupid fucks get there. The US has been skirting it's own laws and letter-of-the-lawing it to get around whatever it doesn't like + outright ignoring and violating our own laws when it suits us for so long that who the fuck knows what they'll do, and how they'll justify it, and who can blame a MAGAt for not knowing how it actually works

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I mean the us has never followed due process in the way advocates frame it. As well as this originalists like Thomas and Scalia have always opposed it. Look at dred scott for a history of this. Even in theory due process is not the greatest. This person is wrong and almost certainly extremely bigoted but not as " out there" as some of these comments think.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

She only cares about the 2nd amendment.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

This is why US concentration camps are in Guntanamo Bay and El Salvador

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

All she cares about it herself

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Judging by the user name, they only care about the 2nd amendment.

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