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In light of recent ICE/DHS shenanigans in the US

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Most people lock their phones with biometrics which can be legally compelled from you.

If you use a password you can refuse to provide it.

If you're living in a world where the police are willing to literally drug and torture you then your digital security requirements are beyond the scope of what you can get from social media and you should assume that everything you do is publicly known.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Both iPhone and Android have ways to disable biometrics until the next unlock via password/code.

Iirc, on iPhone, it was pushing the power button 5 (or 7?) times. On Android, long press the power button and select "lock".

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago

Press the power button and one of the volume buttons for 3 seconds.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I use biometrics for apps and such, but not my phone. Having worked apple support, the number of people who only used their fingerprint and their phone was restarted for whatever reason leading them to have to know their password, which they forgot... is numerous.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I suppose this is why Android occasionally refuses to take your fingerprint and says "for your security, enter your password."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

My phone says that's a 3 day timer

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

iOS does this as well so I have no idea how people manage to forget their passcodes

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I'm not encrypting my stuff because of people who can legally punch me in the face if I don't comply. I'm encrypting them against some dude who steals my backpack when I'm commuting.

I'm not saying that all authorities are great but if your biggest risk is your local authorities, you need to change something in your life. Possibly your place of residency.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

And for the millions of people who can't?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Yes that's the summery of it

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have a phone running GrapheneOS. What would happen if I gave them my duress PIN at the US border when compelled to do so? If entered, the duress PIN will immediately wipe the phone.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

In a fair judicial system, they will protect you if you have nothing to be guilty of. Also on the other hand, if they have a judicial warrent for your phone, then it'll be a crime to not produce it, or destroy it.

In a country with a lawless system, and this is a real story btw that happened to my friend: The ones with deleted whatsapp conversation or "lost phones" recived 10+ years extra while his peers who committed the same exact crime in the same group but opened their phones recieved 2 years. I myself have read the prosecution case papers where the judge added the crime of them deleting whatsapp conversations, and formatting or destroying phones.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

If you’re not a citizen my absolutely uneducated answer would be: if you were suspected of having done anything like that you would be detained for tampering with evidence - because they would now detain you for tampering with evidence. I would have said this wouldn’t have been a huge issue before, they wouldn’t have anything to hold you on after that, but that is certainly not true now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Police enforcement have tools that crack both Android and Apple phones en seconds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Usually they just get an unencrypted backup from the cloud.