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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

I am failing to see the interest in having tons of IOT devices to manage, connect, segment, etc… Why would someone want to do it? To be clear, I have friends deep in it but… I still don’t understand. Can anyone try to explain the magic I am failing to see?

Edit: Thank you all for sharing your experiences! The ones I found more interesting are those that can easily translate in reducing or tracking consumption. The rest I hear but makes more sense when I look at it from an hobbyist perspective.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Like someone else said, it’s a hobby. I spend money on things, they make me happy for a little bit, they make problems for me, rinse, repeat.

Why do people go fishing when you can buy fish in the store? Why do people draw instead of taking pictures?

It’s nice to go to bed with all the lights on, press a button and have them all go off. It’s nice to have the doors lock when I leave and unlock when I come home. It’s nice to get an alert on my phone if my garage door is open when I leave. It’s nice that all the lights come on as the sun sets.

None of these are necessary, but all of them are nice and it would be annoying if I had to go back to dumb lights.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I manually turn my lights on and off. Life is so hard for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

For me it's a fun hobby, plain and simple. Some people like maintaining saltwater tanks, some people like miniature train sets, I like maintaining a smart home and automating repeat tasks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'd only like smart windows and lights, since I like low yellow light at night and to open the windows in the morning and to close them later. But I don't like the idea of Amazon or Google having my house (and conversations, internet traffic, etc.) even more at their disposal, that's why I avoid to invest on IoT devices right now.

Also, there's the getting locked out of your own house: https://medium.com/@bjax_/a-tale-of-unwanted-disruption-my-week-without-amazon-df1074e3818b

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But you can totally build a smart home without Google or Amazon having to do anything with it. Just use HomeAssistant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh, of course! I was referring only to Google and Amazon because I'd need to invest a lot more if I want an independent and open smart home, which is unnecessary and expensive for me right now.

Alexa and Google Assistant are the default option in México, shipping alternatives is both expensive and hard :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

FYI, you can run homeassistant on a raspberry pi or even cheaper hardware, or on an existing or old machine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hmmm... the price difference is almost non-existent. Do some research, I am sure you can find a cheap server (Raspberry Pi maybe) and a cheap Sonoff Zigbee hub for not much more than an Amazon Echo 4.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My home automation setup includes:

  • Texting me and/or my wife whenever the washer or dryer in the basement finishes a load of laundry, but only if we’re home. If neither is home then it waits until one of us is and only texts that person.

  • Turns on exterior / driveway lights when one of us arrives home after dark.

  • Turns off exterior / driveway lights when we have both left home.

  • Sets our Ecobee thermostats to “away” when we have both left home, and to “home” when somebody arrives home.

I also have a “bedtime” button that ensures all lights are off, thermostats are set to their “sleep” profile, and doors are locked.

Those are the nicer things we use pretty much daily. We have others as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am starting with home automation and I am always fascinated by some of the idea I read on the Internet. Did you come up with this yourself or is there a list of conditions and triggers with devices somewhere I can use with Home Assistant?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I came up with these myself over time, they started 10+ years ago using a Mac platform called Indigo, but since moving into our new house a year ago I've switched over to Home Assistant as well. I have a background that includes 10 years of software development & another 15 of IT, so these sorts of things come fairly easily to me when I think about it a bit.

My wife and I use iPhones and I found iCloud3, which is a great add-on that tracks locations based on those devices. I started out with the washer/dryer notification with the simple realization that we regularly forgot about laundry in our washer in the basement since we'd forget that we had started a load. So I figured out how to have HA send us alerts when the washer or dryer finished. But I quickly realized that wasn't all that useful if one or both of us was at work, shopping, etc. I then realized I could set up a trigger based on a time schedule that checks if we're home or not, and only sends the alert if we are. So I have a HA automation that is triggered every 10 minutes by a timer, but the timer is disabled by default. That automation uses iCloud3 to check if either of us are home. If we are then the automation calls a script to notify us. If we're not home then the automation resets the timer for 10 minutes. When the washer completes it triggers an automation that just starts that timer running. That gives us a little time to park the car, bring in any groceries, etc. before being reminded that we have laundry waiting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How do you do the "both away or home"?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

If they're using Home Assistant then it's pretty straightforward. You can either have the devices report back their location and update based on a Geofence or you can check and see if everyone's on the wifi or not

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Since we're an iPhone family I use iCloud3 in HomeAssistant to track our devices. After setting that up and associating the phones with people in HA it was just a matter of creating triggers based on us entering the home zone:

alias: Somebody Arrives Home
trigger:
  - platform: zone
    entity_id: person.jack
    zone: zone.home
    event: enter
  - platform: zone
    entity_id: person.jill
    zone: zone.home
    event: enter

We live at the end of a dead-end, so I set up the home zone to extend down the road a bit. That gives iCloud3 enough time to figure out we're home and trigger the automation in HA while we're still approaching. I combine the above with a check to see if it's roughly sunset to sunrise, and if it is then turn on the outdoor lights.

For doing things like turning off the lights when nobody is home, I have a similar trigger for everybody leaving the home zone, followed by a conditional that verifies everybody is away:

condition:
  - condition: or
    conditions:
      - condition: template
        value_template: >-
          {{ states('person.jack') != 'home' and states('person.jill') !=  'home'  }}
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Automate_the_boring_stuff == more_time_for_fun

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I use it to control some of the lights in my house. WiFi enabled plugs and switches are more convenient than having to go to each one and manually reprogram them. In my bedroom, I have one set to turn on every day at 7am and again at 9am in case I turn it off and go back to bed. It's basically a silent alarm clock.

I also have WiFi control for the mini-split (AC and heat) in my workshop. I can view the set temperature vs the actual temperature from my phone and I can adjust the temperature remotely if I want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I'm disabled and while I don't have anything set up yet (mostly because I've been looking to move house for a while), and even when I do, I probably won't tinker with it much since that's not really my thing, some home automation would make a huge difference in my life..

So no magic, just accessibility.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

For a lot of things, it's a solution in search of a problem. I set it up on its own vlan because since I do networking every day for work segmenting things off is really simple for me.

I only have a handful of automations that I use.

  • Turn on the garage backyard lights and the back door lights when I get home after sunset.

  • Send my robo vacuum out whenever I leave the house for more than 5 minutes.

  • Turn on the porch light and the exterior housing lights at sunset and off at sunrise.

  • A button to turn off all the lights on my house on my phone that I use every night when I go to bed.

  • A button in my living room that turns on two table lamps, a floor lamp, and some accent lights instead of turning them all on individually. It also turns them all off.

  • Scene buttons at the bar that will turn on multiple lights and change colors. I'm planning to do animations with the lights here so that I can press a button and the lights do a little dance.

I don't really like motion sensors for rooms or areas because there are a lot of times I come in I don't actually want the lights on. I also don't have a million sensors because I don't want to deal with batteries or really care about everything. Things should have a purpose and not just lights that feel like they are there just for the sake of "hey look, I have lights that do something."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It is fun to do.

But for practical reasons the biggest thing for me has been easily connecting switches together.

For example my kitchen has two big lights. Each light has its own switch but they put the switches in the opposite side of the room, so if you want both on you need to turn on one walk across the kitchen to turn on the other and do the same thing to turn them off.

With automation/IOT I can now logically connect the switches together so turning on one switch will turn on the other.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Being able to turn lights on and off on four different levels of a house simplifies life without having to run up and down stairs with dodgy knees. A connected doorbell camera is also quite useful for being alerted when mail or packages are delivered, especially if nobody's home, and for screening solicitors. Voice assistants in multiple rooms aid in control of these and other features, especially when busy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Laziness and/or sometimes genuine medical needs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s a hobby. Some people like automating things. Some people are overdoing it. And some like to have a central control on their phone for everything. It’s nerd heaven. I am some people, but not overly excessive. And I want everything to still be usable by guests.

I personally have a few smart devices mostly because I keep forgetting to do things. Window sensors and thermostats that work together. When I open the windows, they turn down. The windows remind me to close them after 10 minutes. When I leave home, the heating turns down.

Light automations are for when you want to be lazy, like me. When I’m away or when the sun comes up, light turn off. When I arrive, hallway light turns on. When the sun goes down, some lights in the living room turn on. I don’t have any motion sensor stuff because it doesn’t work the way I want (we all know the horrors of motion controlled bathroom lights at the office). The only reasonable sensor I could imagine is actual presence detection, which just recently became a thing but I will wait at least until there exists one by a privacy focused company like Eve.

I would like to get something for my curtains but it’s all getting a bit too expensive.

The trick is to not use any smart devices that run in the cloud. Not only because of privacy but also because you don’t want to be freezing or sit in the dark just because the internet is out or the whole company shuts down. This is what people are always joking about over smart homes, but it doesn’t have to be this way. Keep everything in your own network. You can still access it from outside through the hub but that’s optional.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Home Assistant has a really good basic presence detection: wifi. If you phone is connected to your home wifi network, then you're home. Else you're away. Simple. Works. Local only. No extra sensors.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I mean presence in a specific room/area, not in general. Homekit knows if I’m at home, that’s not a problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's harder, but perhaps the new wifi 7 sensing can help in the near future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It is already possible but the only one available yet is from a Chinese company and it needs their app (and cloud) to work so that’s not an option https://www.aqara.com/us/product/presence-sensor-fp2/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I do it mostly because I'm forgetful. So I automate what I forget. For example I always forget I've put the washing on so I get repeating alerts to hang it out. The alerts stop once I've scanned the NFC tag on the washing machine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have still resisted any smart devices to this day, but I would absolutely love the option of a no strings attached way of getting a text/notification when the laundry is done

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I put a Shelly smart plug in my washing machine outlet. If it detects the machine using power for 30 seconds and then stop using power for 5 minutes, then it sends a signal to Home Assistant, and HA send a notification to my phone. It's easy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’ll look into this, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I have similar but with just a basic smart plug. Rental life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I wake up and my blinds are opening, when it gets too dark outside, they close and turn the lights on, I can lie in bed and do all this..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Various automations, conveniences, and efficiencies that can ultimately save a lot of time &/or money.

1 ) sleep hygiene = a) close the roller shutters or blackout blinds at night b) open them gradually at the same time every day, play the tron soundtrack, and start brewing my coffee. c) drop the temperature by x degrees 1 hour before bedtime.

2 ) house can start growing mould under certain conditions = run the dehumidifier after x amount of time above y average humidity.

3 ) energy efficiency = a) when weather is predicted to rise above 25c, close roller shutters on sunny side of house. b) when temperature is rises above x, or drops below y, turn on air con.

4 ) security = encrypt and upload security camera footage every 5 minutes.

Etc, etc, etc. None of the above should be difficult to set up, nor insecure... We shouldn't need to go to great lengths to automate our lives for comfort and convenience without our privacy being invaded... but in the age of surveillance capitalism, where corporations are scrambling to monetise everything we say and do, and most hardware and software vendors are actively working against us, our only solution is to tinker, hack, and patch together a multitude of disparate software and systems. Problem solving can be fun, but I'd prefer home automation to be easy and effortless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Have you ever used a delayed start on a washing machine? If so welcome to home automation. I'm only half joking - many home devices already have some timer based functions.

The next step is to be able to program them in a more complex way together. Like - I want my laundry to be finished 15 min before I come home. At the same time water heater should come on so there is enough hot water for a shower later.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What I really want is a smart home that tells me that the stove is on and been unattended for over 20 minutes now.

And which can tell me which when I went to bed last night.

Obviously it would have to be offline not some crowd service lives streaming to the NSA.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Home Assistant can do that. Put a Shelly smart plug in the stove outlet to see if it's using power (or do you have an old fasioned gas stove?). It can also track what time you turned off your lights last night.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Having my lights turn off from a voice control is really useful when I want to take a nap but I found that it was weird having all this shit tied into a strangers cloud (google, amazon, apple, whatever). If its hosted at home its usually just fine. As long as ET doesn't phone home.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I have water leak and fire alarm sensors and a security camera. Fairy low maintenance and I kinda want to know if any of these go off when I'm not home

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