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[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Nothing feels more like freedom than being stuck in a traffic jam.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago (13 children)

Where are you all buying bike that don't hurt your wallet to replace? I guess there are Walmart bikes but I've literally had a huffy fall apart while in motion.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

Huffy

There's your problem.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not probably, a human riding a bicycle is the most efficient way to convert energy into movement. No other vehicle or animal can be as efficient.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm disabled in a way that means I can't use one, but can use a car, which kinda sucks.

Fortunately bike infrastructure usually helps me in my chair, so I'm all in favor of wider bike adoption.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don’t know your limitations, but you’d be surprised at the number of ways cycling can be made accessible.

For example, there are handbikes that attach to a wheelchair. As with all assistive tech it depends on your specific situation what is possible.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

car go further faster, and car more useful when not in big city.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

You'd be surprised how far you can travel on a bike. As long as you cycle within your ability/fitness level and eat enough you can basically cycle forever. I cycled 300km in one day last year and it wasn't even that hard. I just made sure to eat enough carbs and stick to a sustainable pace. It took some determination, but it was not difficult physically. Humans are built for endurance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

You cycled for 300km for fun. You didn't cycle 240km to another city with a 10kg boardgame hanging off your back, taking your dog and gf with you, while it was -15c and snow drifts in winter. And you had to get back home by a certain time in the evening for another thing.

I did this described trip with a train and I won't do it again without a car. Public transit is only as good as its schedule is frequent and stops are closeby.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (9 children)

For this, bike friendly cities have good public transport (bus/tram/metro) and bike shares

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Yes, but have you considered this extremely selective list of positive features for bikes?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Welcome to the Netherlands. If there's anything that fills me with pride it's our cycling culture. Most people have a car too, but I don't, and I do everything by bike and public transport.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

I cycled from Bruges to Amsterdam this summer and honestly it was an amazing holiday. Few days with headwind made us wish we had eBikes but the infrastructure was amazing. We basically could cycle on bike roads for 90%+ of the distance and felt very safe doing so. We loved especially Zealand landscape, food and small roads passing through the fields.

I think few countries would have made the holiday so pleasuring and chill, and obviously we encountered just so many people going on with their daily life even between cities with their bikes (I am assuming 20+ km rides). I have noticed that with ebikes also elder people had complete freedom to use bikes as they wished.

I really hope the dutch model is followed by more cities or countries.

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 1 day ago (35 children)

Don’t forget that maintenance is super cheap AND most people, with only the most basic tools, can do the work in their living room or even just on a sidewalk. And if I don’t get it right and the brakes don’t work perfectly I probably won’t fuckin’ die.

Hi, car owner here. I do all the work myself and it requires a fair bit of knowledge, expensive tools, space, and a childhood where I was never told I couldn’t do that work if I was thoughtful about it. That’s a high fuckin’ bar and requires a whole lot of privilege-oh there it is, too many people with privilege like to shit on those without and most of North America has dogshit for public transit or bike infrastructure and the “freedom of movement” with a car is all there but heavily artificial. Thanks auto industry and their lobbyists.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Bikes were and still are a revolutionary technology. There's a reason suffragettes were often associated with bicycles.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Anyone who has ridden in rain and adverse weather would know one reason cars are more popular.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

Nah, I switched to cycling because of the weather. In the winter it took me longer to clear the car windows of snow and ice that the actual drive to my work. Now with a bike I'm about as fast as with my car in total. But a bike costs less than a car - by a lot! It's something like 50-80 bucks per year including a service at my local bike dealer. That wouldn't get me enough gas to keep my car running for a month.

If weather is a concern for you then you need to research how to cloth yourself for different kind of weathers. It's perfectly fine to ride by bike in -15 °C (5 F) or strong rain with the right kind of clothes.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Picking up a week's worth of shopping for a family, whilst taking your baby with you, in the pouring rain, and you live up a steep hill, and you have joint pain, and a sudden work meeting across the other side of town in an hour...

I'd love a city designed round bicycles (Cambridge, UK is quite good like that in the centre) but man, despite the downsides cars are amazing things.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Let me introduce you to this amazing technology called raincoats. I found them perfect for rainy cycling commutes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Danish citizens cycle in rain with no issue.

Of course the workplaces accomodate for that.

You just need the whole society to revolve around bike transport, and it will become normal to ride in the rain.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

I'm Finnish and ride in the freezing rain (literally).

But I can see the advantage in not having to dress up in 8 layers and driving goggles to go sweat to a supermarket for some snack you're hankering.

Also, bigger stuff require a cart and yeah sure you have them on bikes.

But I've been biking for everything for years, used to have a car and I just miss the convenience. Cheapest pure electric cars are getting to be around 5k here so I'm gonna get one of those at some point. I'd love if it would also fit my bike though. It's a 26" but foldable but it's not exactly small folded and with my extensions to the headset.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Rain, ice and severe cold are a removed. I like bicycles, but driving to work in a heated car looking at that poor cyclist riding somewhere at 6 in the morning at -6°C, sorry, no, I'm gonna go with a car.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

are a removed.

Bro, it might be time to leave .ml lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

We are all a removed on this blessed day

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I disagree cycling in winter is nice. Just get some warm clothes and good tyres. A car is also really expensive to own in the city. Why pay for a car and parking when the alternative is almost free and arguably more fun.

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