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What's great about this, and Stephen Fry is brilliant, is not that he's absolving Musk, or that he's criticizing Tesla, but that it is an argument likely leading to Elon Musk protesting,

'No, my cars are good enough that I can be a Nazi!'

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Headlines are being headlines, I get it, but Fry was repeating a joke:

“I heard a very good joke yesterday,” the QI host, 67, told Stig Abell on Times Radio on Thursday.

“Someone said, ‘Musk is not a Nazi... Nazis made really good cars,’” he went on, before bursting out laughing.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

Right, and here's the clip.

[–] [email protected] 191 points 1 day ago (39 children)

Hur hur. I'd wish people would stop assigning hyper-competence to Nazis. They never were. Hitler was a drug addict and the trains didn't run on time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

That's just ignoring history. There are plenty of good reasons to hate the Nazis without needing to do that.

In the similar way, it's not necessary to dismiss Soviet Union's early modernization successes in order to blame them for their crimes against humanity.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Exactly this. My grandmother lived under the Nazis and she said they were fucking idiots. Exactly the same type of incompetent blowhards. The whole hyper scientific ubermensch BS in the cultural zeitgeist is so frustrating. I blame all the WWII video games and movies that played up the myth to have more interesting villains than the sleazy shit stains that they actually were.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The strength of the Germans was that I.) they had a really good industrial base, and ii.) the traditions within the army meant they had extremely well trained soldiers. Both of these predate nazi-rule. For instance, Germans also arguably had the best (equipped) army in WW1.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

Not entirely. You should read the scathing after action reports from Wehrmacht generals who lead the Polish campaign. Basically, they wanted to postpone all offensive operation for at least 3 years because of the high armor losses and correct the deficiencies. The fucktard, Hitler, sent his best generals to desk jobs and replaced them with yes people to continue the war. This is what Bush did during the build up against Iraq and Afghanistan and exactly what Orange Nero wants to do too.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Early Nazis also galvanized a young working force with actual socialist policies that guaranteed them good jobs and housing (before Hitler's multiple violent party purges, scrapping most of it for a fascist-capitalist junta)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

they had extremely ~~well trained soldiers~~ brainwashed teenage murderers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago

It's hard to convince people that they've been had by a bunch of morons.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Hitler was a drug addict and the trains didn't run on time.

German trains still don't run on time. Can't blame that one on the Nazis, that's just a German thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

At least you didn't rip up your railways. We barely even have trains here in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Still a Nazi.

Just America shrinkflated Nazism so the intelligence had to go. Still 100% of the hate and malice America loves to eat though.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes. He's still a Nazi. You're not getting the point.

Fry is trying to provoke Musk into saying, "yes, they're good enough," turning it an admission that he is indeed a Nazi.

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