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[–] dotslashme@infosec.pub 156 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I cannot even understand the reasoning of these people. I did not expect "consumption" to be a thing during my lifetime.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 119 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Consumption? Check

Weird isolationist grifter president? Check

Anarchists? Hell check

The maga dipshits overshot 1950s and sent us back to 1901, strap in

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Only thing different is the nazis are running the USA this time

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The Nazis got their ideas from looking at what America did to genocide the natives. Hell even the Spanish american war feels about to break out again because some loudmouth oligarchs seem hell bent on doing imperialism in 2025

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Don't forget Jim Crow. The Nazis got a lot of their segregation and eugenics crap from the U.S.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Oh it predates the US. The Crusades eliminated massive numbers of people in the name of Christianity. There have been innumerable cullings through history based on ideas of righteousness, pureness, etc. just because the guys with the power want land.

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[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

They were then too.

Hell, lots of people in the US were in the Nazi camp all way up to WWII when we got to see that kind of regime in unfettered action.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

McKinley was elected in 1897, seems like they’re approaching target

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 3 points 3 weeks ago

They just love being consumers

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 96 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

Sorry to put a damper on your Schadenfreude, but this has nothing to do with any maga anti-vaccine laws. Although this outbreak is in Kansas, the TB vaccine is not used in the US, not even in blue states, except in rare special cases.

In the United States, BCG is only considered for people who meet specific criteria and in consultation with a TB expert.

See https://www.cdc.gov/tb/webcourses/TB101/page7181.html and https://www.cdc.gov/tb/hcp/vaccines/index.html

(it's so irritating how people just lap this crap up without an ounce of critical thinking)

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm Canadian and I had the TB vaccine in 2019 when I asked my doctor if I should have my vaccinations boosted because I was traveling for work. He asked me if I was traveling to third world countries and I said, "Yes, the United States."

He boosted my MMR, my DTP, TB, Hepatitis A and B, Yellow Fever, and added the Pneumococus and Meningitis vaccines.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

This is an interesting point. So what is causing the TB outbreak.

Also, the right doesn't have a monopoly on hearing what they want to hear.

[–] swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is true but isn’t it only unnecessary in the US due to herd immunity?

The classic third world experience is having the mark on your bicep.

[–] mill_city@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

No, there has never been a widespread TB vaccination program in the United States. In fact if you work in an at risk industry (such as Healthcare) you'll be required to submit to routine testing that will tell if you've ever had an exposure to the vaccine or actual TB. 90+ percent of people will be negative to this test, indicating they've never had TB or the TB vaccine.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks for checking. It's so easy to believe the things that fit your own worldview.

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

n widely recommended in the

yup the evidence on the TB vaccine had been pretty iffy and many argued that lowered TB exposure and infection rates were due to better population nutrition and improved air quality. That said, most other countries still use BCG in the world.

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[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 66 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Except we don't typically vaccinate people in the US against TB.

Few healthcare workers even get that particular jab.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

More than you'd think. TB has geographic ties, so people in known high-risk areas generally get BCG, especially healthcare workers and people with autoimmune diseases.

[–] Talaraine@fedia.io 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The point stands, though. TB can come from unexpected vectors and there is no traditional vaccine offered to the public. Until that happens, it doesn't make as much sense to blame tuberculosis on a state that may also be making boneheaded decisions regarding vaccines in general. Just the ones who would say no when it was offered.

I am now taking a hard look at voluntarily getting this vaccine for sure.

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[–] Drusas@fedia.io 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Even the CDC website says that the tuberculosis vaccine is not commonly used in the US.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, hate to say it but I honestly don’t know if we can trust the current CDC website, considering the current administration is known for manipulating data.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you're going to be that paranoid and spread early misinformation, at least learn of ways to protect yourself like using the wayback machine or something similar. Guess the CDC is just cooked if one side is trying to shut it down and the other side is saying don't trust it now lol.

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[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

And Kansas is not a high-risk area.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. I have had every recommended childhood vaccine and get annual flu and COVID vaccines. I have never had a TB vaccine, nor been recommended to get one.

https://www.cdc.gov/tb/vaccines/index.html

A TB outbreak in Kansas is of course a massive concern, but relating it to their vaccine exemption law? Did they outlaw TB testing, because that's something that used to be routinely done for school admission.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I can't recall our GenA kids needing the weird stabby test I had to take when I was a kid but honestly didn't even think about it before now.

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'm a millennial and my college required that test prior to enrolling in classes. That was the first time I took the (rather distressing, tbh, maybe they should have to warned me) skin inflatey test.

I just looked and my college still requires that test. So, might just be a regional thing. Grad school in the same state didn't require the test, so maybe it had to do with staying in the dorms in undergrad?

[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 3 weeks ago

My father almost died from polio as a child. I’d not be born had that happened. I hold special contempt for these society-harming shitbags.

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Somewhere, John Green is just raging.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

I mean isn't he pretty consistently in Indianapolis.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 20 points 3 weeks ago

Make America La Bohème again

[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 16 points 3 weeks ago

This is happening in the KC Metro. For those celebrating illness in a red state, this is US House District for Sharice David’s, a seat that we flipped blue in 2018

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 10 points 3 weeks ago

It's too bad that the biggest victims are the children of these idiots. Once again we see that Regan kicked us down this hill, and all the Republicans are cheering on the sidelines as it sets them all on fire.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

I get your point, but let's leave the thanks to Obama, who actually did a lot of good things.

I think a more appropriate phrase, useful every few seconds for at least the next 4 years, is "What the fuck, Trump?"

[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Stupidity come with a price my friends

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So, should I get this vaccine? and how?

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably not, but your doctor would have the best answer to both questions.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont have health insurance or a doctor

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oof. I guess trust the CDC on this one unless you are at high risk of contracting TB.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

The vaccine info is still up. This was referenced elsewhere in the thread. The TB vaccine is not and has never been widely recommended in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/tb/vaccines/index.html

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Find out, yes. Fuck around and find out.

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