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I am a long term GrapheneOS user and would like to talk about it. r/privacy on the redditland blocks custom OS discussions which I think is very bad for user privacy, and I hope this post will be useful to anyone who are in the hunt for better privacy.

Nowadays smartphones are a much bigger threats to our privacy and Desktop systems, and unfortunately manufacturers has designed them to be locked down devices with no user freedom. You can't just "install Linux" on most smartphones and it is horrible. And most preloaded systems spy on us like crazy. That was why I specifically bought a pixel and loaded GOS onto it.

According to https://grapheneos.org/features , they start from base AOSP's latest version, imptoves upon it's security and significantly hardens it. There's hardened_malloc to.prevent against exploitation, disabling lots of debugging features, disabling USB-c data, hardening the Linux kernel and system apps etc. They even block accessing the hardware identifiers of the phone so that apps cannot detect whqt phone you're using. That means with Tor and zero permissions given, apps are anonymous.

Compatibility with apps are best in Custom ROMs but there are still that can't work, especially if they enforce device integrity. Very few apps usually enforce that tho. Also their community isn't the friendliest but you can get help. Just don't try and engage too much or have too many debates.

Anyone else here use GrapheneOS, or any other privacy ROMs? What is your experience? Do you disagree on any point? Let's have a discussion!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

I would love to buy a pixel to install GrapheneOS but ain't no way I'm giving google money and I don't know where I can buy a brand new pixel. There are currently 3 apps that scare me and not sure if they're even working on GOS and one is my bank app

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Regarding banking app, check privsec.dev 's list.

Regarding Pixel, don't see it as giving money to Google, see it as payingnfor good hardware.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm still paying a shitty company for good hardware. I will see if I can find a good refurbished, otherwise I'll pay the hardware with money and not my data. Fuck google

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'll pay the hardware with money and not my data.

Way to go

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Found a pixel 7 8/128 for 270€ and could be good

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Of course mine isn't supported 🥲 fuck google

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Does yours have a website you can use through a mobile browser? With the exception of mobile depositing checks, which I do once every 15 years or so, I an do all of my banking in the browser

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

My bank app worked fine on lineage OS without Google Play Services, but I ended up leaving them anyway because I wanted to have a bank that would let me use a mobile website and that bank required the use of their app.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Good luck to me I guess! Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Here they aren't officially available yet there are still plenty of resellers - I guess you can find some in your area. I was really scared that the bootloader wouldn't unlock due to the origin country's carrier shenanigans, but it went through just fine (still checked every bit of info I could before buying).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Last time I bought a phone it was sold as phone of my country then realized when started that was from another country in Europe so I'm scared of getting that again

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

At least the listings I have seen explicitly listed the origin country. Mine is Japanese, and it cost less than an American counterpart, for example.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

It's not a big deal but the thing I wanted to use was not available on that region🥲 then I learned how shitty the company was

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

I'm on it for a few weeks on my new Pixel 7 a. Looks painless, though I haven't migrated fully yet. Lineage OS on my old phone and tablet. Waiting for Pixel tablet sale to run GrapheneOS there too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I've been using it for many months and I like it a lot. Only one of my banking apps doesn't work.

Currently my main issue is that webauthn stopped working after an update. And the community support hasn't been helpful.

I wish they had better documentation in general.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I've been using it for a few months. Very happy with it. Minimalistic initial setup, gives you the feeling of control as well as privacy, bank apps work splendidly... an effortless transition, I say as somebody who previously used iPhone but wasn't tied into the ecosystem.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Yea I did the same thing as you about 2 years ago. Gonna maintain and use this phone for as long as I possibly can before either betting another one or find a equally good or better solution that doesn't give money to google(and hopefully one with a replaceable battery)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

I have used it in the past on a Google Pixel 3A, and I've used Lineage OS for many years as well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm buying a Pixel, I'll try it soon. But for now I like LineageOS+MicroG very much.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

MicroG doesn't have as much compatibility as Sandboxed Pkay. Also I think LineageOS is not as patched and kept up to date, maybe try DivestOS or CalyxOS (both forks of Lineage)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

I am waiting for the LineageOS port for my SM-A536B.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Do you have difficulties running pokemon go (if you do play it) and/or banking apps?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Banking apps works for me, they have a list at privsec.dev check that out first.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

My three banking apps work fine. Ymmv

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Banking works fine for me.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I've been wanting to try it for a while now, but I'm too cheap to buy a phone that can run it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

It's great, but it drains my battery like hell, (with three profiles: default, google-ser-ices and owner... don't know if that's still recommended)

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